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That bench is completely bull**** mate i see triple digit FPS with the game maxed on a 260 and GPU is pretty much irrelevant anywhere near your FPS minimums. Linus has a bench actually around ~60fps range, showing the 7770 and 7970 having almost identical FPS, IIRC - both GPU's are more than capable of powering >100fps with nothing happening, and when you start to approach cpu limit's, it doesn't matter any more
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A $500 build will max out Starcraft 2
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A $300 build will max out Starcraft 2, just not as well as a 5ghz 3570k wink.gif

Not nearly as well actually, 5ghz 3570k has something like 2.5x the minimums of a stock phenomIIx4, oc'd ivy bridge on a whole other level than anything else. Everyone says the game runs fine, but everyone, even with the best oc'd cpu's, experience bad performance, it's mostly just people who don't know how to use benchmarking tools overstating performance, or expecting it to be bad regardless - if you take somebody using a random core 2 duo who says he maxes the game fine, and put him on a 4.5ghz 3570k, he wont ever go back (:

Maxing the game is easy, it doesn't really give a **** if it's on max or min settings in an endgame battle (only about physics, effects, reflections, which causes most of the disparity when people compare across setting presets - that, and people not simulating worst case properly, or actually playing the game in a real world situation, with max supplies etc) it actually has very consistent framerates, just stepping up on CPU front makes all settings perform a ton better as long as you have an adequate GPU (and it's very hard to reccomend going over 7770 in any case for a 1920x1080 sc2 rig)
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@Cyro999: Lots of information haha... The PSU was to allow SLI later, but we already decided to drop to a Rosewill Hive 650W since of the large price difference.
One thing to keep in mind is that this is my friend's first build; I'm not sure how comfortable he will be setting voltages to relatively high levels. I've seen the benchmarks Linus tested from his video, but I've also seen multiple benchmark that contradict his? For example, notebookcheck (mostly mobile, but has the 7770 and 7970) and benchmarks from Nvidia (yeah, may be biased). Those both tested Heart of the Swarm rather than WOL, but I doubt the huge differences are a result of that. Also, would you recommend waiting for Haswell then since you seem to be saying sc2 is overwhelmingly bound by the CPU?

I have also heard from multiple online threads that Starcraft seems to favor Nvidia GPUs more than AMD. I can't find many benchmarks with recent examples, but here is one where the 670 is ahead of the 7960 at ultra settings.

@AlphaC: Are those benchmarks with max settings? Thanks for the deal links, I'll try to get him to pick up the HDD and case tonight. I was not planning on using EVGA stepup and actually was recommended to go with an Asus 660TI rather than EVGA because of better cooling? This is if we still decide to go with the 660TI, which may not be the case now.

@zylonite: I'm pretty sure it'd be difficult to max out with $500 considering he needs to buy OS and monitor.
post #15 of 53
I'd skip the SSD for now and spend the cash difference on the GPU or Monitor. You can always add an SSD down the road, possibly a better one if you give yourself time to save up and shop around.
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I hate to say it, but with the game bundles and the over clockability the new AMD 7 series is destroying the Nvidia 6 series.

Stock a 670 > 7950 > 660ti > 7870

Overclcoked a 7950 > 670 > 7870 > 660ti

I would honestly spend the $289 on a 7950 of grab the $190 7870 before it expires at midnight tonight
post #17 of 53
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Originally Posted by BillOhio View Post

I'd skip the SSD for now and spend the cash difference on the GPU or Monitor. You can always add an SSD down the road, possibly a better one if you give yourself time to save up and shop around.
For Starcraft, I think he'd see rapid diminishing returns trying to get a better GPU than the 660Ti. Also, I did change the monitor based off an earlier recommendation.

To clarify, this is the build after monitor change, slightly cheaper RAM I found, and GPU manufacturer change.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (Purchased For $254.98)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.74 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LK ATX LGA1155 Motherboard
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($51.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card ($269.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB/RSBS DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
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I hate to say it, but with the game bundles and the over clockability the new AMD 7 series is destroying the Nvidia 6 series.

Stock a 670 > 7950 > 660ti > 7870

Overclcoked a 7950 > 670 > 7870 > 660ti

I would honestly spend the $289 on a 7950 of grab the $190 7870 before it expires at midnight tonight

I went Nvidia because benchmarks/others seem so say that it is better than AMD for starcraft 2.
I'm not sure how to insert images into this post, so here's a benchmark which shows the 660Ti clearly outperforming the 7950 in Heart of the Swarm.

Edit: Attached the Benchmark picture
Starcraft Benchmarks.png 228k .png file
Edited by TemurAmir - 5/27/13 at 7:16pm
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Would SC2 utilize hyperthreading from an i7 920-3770k since it uses more cpu power.
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Get a thermalright True 120 instead of 212 Evo, it's quieter and cooler.
http://www.nansgaminggear.net/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=TS-120M
$10 more on superbiiz http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=FAN-TS120

Macho 120 on Superbiiz, $36 http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=CA-MH120

Other coolers $10 more: http://www.nansgaminggear.net/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MACHO-120 , http://www.nansgaminggear.net/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MACHO-REV-A-BW , or http://www.nansgaminggear.net/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=TS-140

also on http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=FAN-TS140

Would also swap GPU to a $240ish HD7870XT to save over $60 (unless you need CUDA) http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=AT-7870XT2
*You can ignore this if you are purchasing within 90 days of 700 series launch and make use of EVGA's step-up program

GTX 660 or above is overkill (no need to SLI) for Starcraft 2 anyhow at 1080p, Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

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That bench is such BS. I get those frames at like the start of the game but then they go down very fast. I have been in the 30's with a overclocked 670 and a 2600k@5GHz so yeah..
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Would SC2 utilize hyperthreading from an i7 920-3770k since it uses more cpu power.
No it doesn't even use 4 cores.
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Newer drivers gave a huge performance boost for amd. Also at stock my 7950 gets 8300 3DMark 11 and my friends similar setup with a 670 gets 9185. Only over clocking my 7950 the score goes to 9600. Basically over clocked to max the 7950 is faster than the more expensive 670.
Edited by CravinR1 - 5/27/13 at 11:13pm
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