Originally Posted by TemurAmir
@Cyro999: Lots of information haha... The PSU was to allow SLI later, but we already decided to drop to a Rosewill Hive 650W since of the large price difference.
One thing to keep in mind is that this is my friend's first build; I'm not sure how comfortable he will be setting voltages to relatively high levels. I've seen the benchmarks Linus tested from his video, but I've also seen multiple benchmark that contradict his? For example, notebookcheck
(mostly mobile, but has the 7770 and 7970) and benchmarks from Nvidia
(yeah, may be biased). Those both tested Heart of the Swarm rather than WOL, but I doubt the huge differences are a result of that. Also, would you recommend waiting for Haswell then since you seem to be saying sc2 is overwhelmingly bound by the CPU?
I have also heard from multiple online threads that Starcraft seems to favor Nvidia GPUs more than AMD. I can't find many benchmarks with recent examples, but here is one
where the 670 is ahead of the 7960 at ultra settings.
@AlphaC: Are those benchmarks with max settings? Thanks for the deal links, I'll try to get him to pick up the HDD and case tonight. I was not planning on using EVGA stepup and actually was recommended to go with an Asus 660TI rather than EVGA because of better cooling? This is if we still decide to go with the 660TI, which may not be the case now.
@zylonite: I'm pretty sure it'd be difficult to max out with $500 considering he needs to buy OS and monitor.
Almost every bench for sc2 out there is awful. The linus one is pretty good. That notebookcheck one for example - there's never more than about 30 units anywhere in the bench. They're testing the intro to a single player 1.5 base challenge with really small waves of attacking units. It's silly.
Any bench simulating 1v1 worst cases should show the 3570k around 30fps +- say, 50%, depending on how they do it, and any GPU bench should isolate CPU and not use forced AA that makes the game look a ton worse and hard to play, but i see a ton of numbers both far under and far over what i would expect for gpu performance, there's no way any modern gpu (even the 7750 i think) would be below triple digit fps with game maxed, looking at 6 workers. Again they're leagues above the gtx 260 and i see ~250fps on med shaders etc with that, well above triple digits with the game maxed at the very start of the game when GPU bottleneck is at its worst, and GPU is far more than strong enough to not pull down minimum FPS later in the game when there's hunderds of units running around.
It's been discussed a lot on TL, we basically don't reccomend systems with >7770 any more for maxing just sc2. Overclocking is practically every system build though and often higher end stuff, because it's really relevant (especially if you're trying to stream)
There's a ton of benches, Linus's testing methodology is one of the very few that is both covered in detail, and sane (even though it's not pushing as hard as i'd like) and other benches are all over the place. In the gtx780 windforce review for example, there's a chart showing ~150fps on max settings, in what they called a 1v1 max battle, on a CPU that was nothing special - which is blown so far out of the water i dont even know how they managed to **** the numbers up so much
Haswell, it all comes down to OC. I thought we'd have some information on if haswell would be trash or awesome closer than 6 days from release, but hey, we don't. Only lots of shady chinese stuff, and quite a few people giving completely contradictory reports, with others whispering "just wait til nda lifts it's amazing kekekeke"
And lower end, hd7k series is just better deals
In regards to setting voltage to very high levels; I dont think you can kill the CPU with voltage unless you delid, like i don't think it's seriously possible. Belial88 (if you want to pm him) is using 1.5v and some others are doing similar, but a hr-02 macho for example caps out at about 1.35v without delidding. You can't really get above 1.4 without delid due to temperatures - which while being suicide on sandy bridge (eventually, and especially if your temps were not down far) seems quite tame on ivy bridgeEdited by Cyro999 - 5/27/13 at 8:24pm