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Yeah but they don't properly use more than 4 cores, nor do most/all of them run better on an AMD 6 core. But still, at $140, AMD hex core vs Intel dual core... lol the choice is clear.
I dont have a problem with the i5 3570K, Its my CPU All im saying is if OP Can afford a I5 to get one but the idea that a dual core is still viable today with the octocores coming out in the next gen consoles is kind of a bit odd. I just don't like the idea that 6 cores are a "Waste" that is all. if OP can get a 3570K I say he should.

+1 to this... 1 year ago I would say there wasn't a single game that could make use of more than 2 cores and there is an interesting video on youtube by linus that shows battlefield 3 does not benefit from more than 2 cores and barely benefits from 1 core with hyperthreading vs 2 physical cores. That said I assure the 3570K gets taxed to the limit in many games. Maybe you are not playing a wide variety of games but there are most DEF games that are CPU limited... if your GPU isn't pegged at 99% usage with vsync off then your CPU is at fault. There are plenty of games that I get a higher frame rate at 4.7GHz vs 4.0GHz and there are plenty of games that get my CPU hot.

Anyways... I am just looking at his BUDGET and at that BUDGET I just can't see why he needs to make a sacrifice on the CPU or GPU... A 7870 is a sacrifice... also crossfiring anything less than a 7950 is a mistake! Xfire doesn't scale perfectly so if you are going to drop $400 on 2 cards then just drop $400 on one card and be done with it. At $300 the 7950 is the golden ticket. You can sell the game coupons on ebay too so that reduces the cost even further.

I would def try to put a 8350 or a 3570k into the build. Also with a 3570k you really don't need a great VRM to hit 4.2GHz so you can buy a cheap ASrock mobo to save a few bucks.

Also forget the SSD... it does not improve frame rates and you still need a real HD so for now get a normal HD and buy the SSD later... Also the SSD Caching ability on the intel motherboards is amazing which means you can add a SSD later and you won't have to manage everything just plug it in set up the caching system and forget about it. All you will see is the big HD... so yeh don't waste your money on an SSD if it means buying a cheaper CPU or GPU...

If you have to either pick a nice CPU or a nice GPU I would say that GPUs hold there value fairly well so buy a 7850 and sell it later... But still I think a goal should be to squeeze the 7950 and either the 8350 or 3570K into the build.
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+1 to this... 1 year ago I would say there wasn't a single game that could make use of more than 2 cores and there is an interesting video on youtube by linus that shows battlefield 3 does not benefit from more than 2 cores and barely benefits from 1 core with hyperthreading vs 2 physical cores. That said I assure the 3570K gets taxed to the limit in many games. Maybe you are not playing a wide variety of games but there are most DEF games that are CPU limited... if your GPU isn't pegged at 99% usage with vsync off then your CPU is at fault. There are plenty of games that I get a higher frame rate at 4.7GHz vs 4.0GHz and there are plenty of games that get my CPU hot.

Anyways... I am just looking at his BUDGET and at that BUDGET I just can't see why he needs to make a sacrifice on the CPU or GPU... A 7870 is a sacrifice... also crossfiring anything less than a 7950 is a mistake! Xfire doesn't scale perfectly so if you are going to drop $400 on 2 cards then just drop $400 on one card and be done with it. At $300 the 7950 is the golden ticket. You can sell the game coupons on ebay too so that reduces the cost even further.

I would def try to put a 8350 or a 3570k into the build. Also with a 3570k you really don't need a great VRM to hit 4.2GHz so you can buy a cheap ASrock mobo to save a few bucks.

Also forget the SSD... it does not improve frame rates and you still need a real HD so for now get a normal HD and buy the SSD later... Also the SSD Caching ability on the intel motherboards is amazing which means you can add a SSD later and you won't have to manage everything just plug it in set up the caching system and forget about it. All you will see is the big HD... so yeh don't waste your money on an SSD if it means buying a cheaper CPU or GPU...

If you have to either pick a nice CPU or a nice GPU I would say that GPUs hold there value fairly well so buy a 7850 and sell it later... But still I think a goal should be to squeeze the 7950 and either the 8350 or 3570K into the build.

Lol great logic there. SSD's do not improve your FPS, therefore ignore SSD. /facepalm

Do yourself a favor and invest in an SSD. There is a night and day difference between running games + OS + browser on your SSD than running it on a spindle driver. Harddrives are your #1 bottleneck on your computer. You can get one cheap. You can certainly afford it if you drop the case + sound card. It is not all about "FPS" - it is about your computer experience. I will put it this way: I load windows in about 8 seconds, load first in every game, loading times between levels is minimal, firefox opens in less than a second, etc. There is no 'loading' bottleneck for me. To all the people saying SSD's do not improve you FPS - true, but you're missing out on a lot of other areas in computing.

Naysayers of SSD's be damned. You cannot possibly build such a sexy rig and ignore such a crucial part.
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Have an SSD in mine and will say that 128GB is the minimum and that 256GB is almost necessary unless you want to be stuck making sure no extra junk or none of the wrong games are installed... With 128GB you have to start choosing which game do I put on it and which game do I put on the normal drive.

So I guess if you need a large HD making the SSD a completely additional cost then $160 just sounds like something you could do later on especially if it means getting a lower priced CPU and GPU... I am not at all saying they are pointless but I guess I also am a person that just rarely ever tries to justify my purchases by saying they are awesome.
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Thing to remember is everyone uses their rig for a variety of things,even it's mostly gaming. I feel the 6core,with the 7870XT(7950 perf. overclocked) and a fast SSD on a premium motherboard with a socket on it that will be around for awhile is best. You can go Intel but usually have to cut down on the quality of the motherboard.
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Here check this rig out, comes in within budget and uses good top quality parts. AMD GAMING RIG
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Just in case you haven't consider the used market. There are many great deals out there on used computers. I would look into craigslist to see if you can find any thing worth while in your region. That way you can inspect and test the equipment personally before buying.
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+1 to this... 1 year ago I would say there wasn't a single game that could make use of more than 2 cores and there is an interesting video on youtube by linus that shows battlefield 3 does not benefit from more than 2 cores and barely benefits from 1 core with hyperthreading vs 2 physical cores. That said I assure the 3570K gets taxed to the limit in many games. Maybe you are not playing a wide variety of games but there are most DEF games that are CPU limited... if your GPU isn't pegged at 99% usage with vsync off then your CPU is at fault. There are plenty of games that I get a higher frame rate at 4.7GHz vs 4.0GHz and there are plenty of games that get my CPU hot.

Anyways... I am just looking at his BUDGET and at that BUDGET I just can't see why he needs to make a sacrifice on the CPU or GPU... A 7870 is a sacrifice... also crossfiring anything less than a 7950 is a mistake! Xfire doesn't scale perfectly so if you are going to drop $400 on 2 cards then just drop $400 on one card and be done with it. At $300 the 7950 is the golden ticket. You can sell the game coupons on ebay too so that reduces the cost even further.

I would def try to put a 8350 or a 3570k into the build. Also with a 3570k you really don't need a great VRM to hit 4.2GHz so you can buy a cheap ASrock mobo to save a few bucks.

Also forget the SSD... it does not improve frame rates and you still need a real HD so for now get a normal HD and buy the SSD later... Also the SSD Caching ability on the intel motherboards is amazing which means you can add a SSD later and you won't have to manage everything just plug it in set up the caching system and forget about it. All you will see is the big HD... so yeh don't waste your money on an SSD if it means buying a cheaper CPU or GPU...

If you have to either pick a nice CPU or a nice GPU I would say that GPUs hold there value fairly well so buy a 7850 and sell it later... But still I think a goal should be to squeeze the 7950 and either the 8350 or 3570K into the build.
I will agree as I have an SSD and love it, but wouldn't trade my 670 for something lesser if I had to choose, The load times and responsiveness is nice but it IS something that can be added later, also 250 GB or bust on the SSD's as you will fill up 90 GB before you even realize it, with 250GB you have enough space where you wont have to try too hard to keep the space to where it should be, I will tell you if you plan on streaming or other multitasking things the 8350 will be a better chip but if its just raw gaming and no recording/streaming etc this isnt an issue and the intel may give you a few more frames. also the 3570K can hit 4.2 on a $100 Asrock board with out a problem, (quality control is a bit of an issue with those boards though)

As for the BF3 not really needing more then 2 cores single player is one thing, DO NOT try multiplayer lol I'm at 70% usage all the time (Peaks at 99 and GPU drops into the 80's)
   
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You don't need a sound card for gaming.

I cannot disagree more. Dolby Headphone and CMSS3D do so much for helping w/ positional cues.
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I cannot disagree more. Dolby Headphone and CMSS3D do so much for helping w/ positional cues.

How much of a difference are we talking about here? I always wanted to invest in a sound card in the future. Just not sure if my Siberia headset would benefit much from it.
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The other day I was playing BF3 and heard someone running toward me from 5 o'clock. I turned around and shot him before he could knife me.

Yesterday I was playing GRID 2 and I could hear someone coming up alongside me so I took the corner sharp and finished less than a second ahead.

I don't know anything about the siberia headset. I use AKG Q701s.
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