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what was that they said on the reveal? "we want Xbone to be the center of the living room, where everything is connected through a single device!" .......well....umm apparently not, if you still enjoy previous xbox games doh.gif
LMAO so true.
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Yes, the tech for doing so is definitely there, but then again, MS also has access to your laptop webcam + mic, since there is no hardware switch to turn it off...

If you're that paranoid, you can yank them out... and your computer will continue to function perfectly without them. Unlike... say...
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I don't think I have any words left for explaining just how impossible this is. On a side note, I hope rampant paranoia continues. I am going to get rich off of my new business venture specializing in tinfoil hats and armadillo helmets.

If a government agency wanted to spy on a particular person and go through the steps to obtain a super-warrant then that person has done something that would warrant that kind of reaction. With that in mind they are going to be collecting information from more than just a kinect sensor. There are many more ways to obtain information about a person that are faster, cheaper, and easier.

9 times out of 10 you could give me a name, county, and possibly a phone number of a person and I would probably get you an address, photo, family history, car model, house value, mortgage lien, and work without breaking a sweat or using any type of security clearance. With that I could get a lot more without even needing a warrant. Once I have that information I could park my car across from their residence and take photos all day long. Which is perfectly legal to do so. Am I a spy? No I'm not. I have the skills to do it but just because I can doesn't mean I will. I'm not big brother and no one is watching you through your xbox. If you you do something that would warrant being being put under surveillance you can be sure they will use more sophisticated tools than a webcam on top of your TV.

Now then anyone know where I can get some really big rolls of tinfoil?
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Why the red herring?

Poor sales and admittance (regardless if was true or not) does not say anything about the choices given in the product.

Anyone remotely familiar knows there is a Desktop and Metro.
I, as a Windows 8 user, have never used Metro once and rarely ever even seen it.

I agree X1 is already a pre-release failure with no choices, but just because both products are made by the same company doesn't inherently make them the same.

+1 for using W8
Windows 8 is great, with start8 that is tongue.gif
Metro side is only seen if needed.


People who think windows 8 sucks are probably the same people who thought windows vista sucked, probably never used it once.



I still think the Xbox One still has a vary good shot at being the next top console, it is a do all system. you can go from playing a Wii like game to playing a graphical FPS to chatting with friends while watching tv. Sony is adding things like The share button into the next console, but the main function on the play button has already been apart of XBL on the 360 from day one. And with MS bring dedicated servers to all games, XBL will have another perk.


I use Steam on the PC so really I could care less about painfree DRM, if it doesn't slow me down on playing a game after I buy it then I see no problem.
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Shouldn't be mandatory, that's reason enough for me not to get it.
    
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This reminds me of the RSA/AES backdoor keys integrated into all Microsoft products supporting encryption.

Only difference is that this is a bit more... bold.
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Do you imagine that Microsoft or government agencies have people sit around in front of TV screens that are streaming your xbox feed? No they don't. Ok now think about this or even give it a try. Put a web camera up and let it record you for a couple of days while you are in front of your TV or monitor. Yea go ahead see how big of a file that would be. Even if you compress that by a quarter to have it upload just where do you imagine there is enough empty storage for all xbox users? Everyone start investing and buying hard drives because Microsoft is going to need them.
just starts recording people when they rent out for example a prn movie.

i live in a country where police was illegally recording people without judges permission. dont say it cannot happen in us or anywhere else because it happened and will happen in future. and your good word stands for nothing. once you get collusion of few people who work with the technology all checkboxes are no biggie, they will just be falsified after the fact. thats what happened in my country. since there were more people with access to technology, noone was charged, noone was fired because they couldnot identify the person who made the recordings.

xbone is one big trojan horse. they dont have to record everything, its a gateway through which they CAN if they WANT record politicians, businessmen, reporters and then blackmail them. once 50m xbones were sold, videos of noncompliant politicians renting prn movie could leak and MS will say, hey they got hacked, we are not responsible, who could have known

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Interesting, I personally don't think the government is behind it but I do think MSFT would love to gather information in order to place ads. Isn't it possible for it to pick up keywords or only scan for data when there's activity in front of it, for instance a coke can or maybe a lopsided couch so on and so on. It wouldn't necessarily need to constantly stream or store or w/e. I'm asking is it possible because I think that's all it's leading up to is personalized advertisements while you're watching NFL or w/e tv you're going to watch through it.

I would agree it could be used for advertising. The only issue is teaching the thing how to recognize an object. Images are simple 3 matrices stacked on each other with values from 0-255. To teach a computer how to recognize an object you can only rely on two pieces of information color and shape. Color based methods involve training with samples selected manually, or they involve allowing the computer to began a massive iteration process that clumps and sieves like pixel values. To identify based on shapes requires a segmentation process where small bit of like pixels a group in a region growing algorithm. From those segments that are formed you form rules that rely on the shape of the segment and its relationship to the segment beside it. All of these would still require human interaction at some point to be reliable. If someone finds an automatic way to do this reliably and accurately, they will be a very wealthy person.

Now lets apply that to this xbox situation. Every room an xbox is in presents a different environment. The lights are different the angles are different. This means rules would have to be developed for each room as they simply won't work the same way. It is just much easier to get data from credit cards and your search history like Google and Yahoo. It simply just does not make sense. If they were recording then that data would have go somewhere to be stored and processed. To find anything useful would be like looking for a needle in a hay field. This is all part of the big data paradigm of which we are barely scratching the surface.
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