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Originally Posted by phill1978 View Post

ok so if someone installed a loaded gun on a tripod in your living room but it was never to be actually used on you .. would you feel 'comfortable' ?
A little extreme, however cameras don't kill. Now having the xbox in my bedroom....
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A little extreme, however cameras don't kill. Now having the xbox in my bedroom....

just illustrating a point really. I think people accept that its a very small chance of abuse, probably impossibly hard to get a good result from the information but its just that basic principle.. you have a live IP addressed (well via the machine) camera in your home to a Corporations server. that is simply all it is. Trust plays a big part and many rightly don't trust faceless organizations as a general rule.

I guess the first posters were right. Dont like it then dont buy it, and if you feel that strongly then tell your friends & family to turn theirs off when you go around or for them to buy something else.

thread, course = run

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http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/Xbox_One_Kinect
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Always On Kinect - False

In response to concerns over privacy with its next-gen console, Microsoft has confirmed that the Xbox One and it's all-seeing Kinect sensor can be turned "completely off". Concerns have arisen over the implications for potential breach of privacy with an always-on device that's equipped with an advanced camera and microphone array and a constant connection to the internet. That you can turn on the console with a voice command - therefore suggesting that the Kinect sensor is 'always listening' even when in standby mode - has proven particularly unsettling for some.

Concerns have even been shared by the German federal commissioner for data protection and freedom of information Peter Schaar, who highlighted "Kinect's ability to monitor users even when the console is switched off".

Seeking to allay fears, Microsoft has confirmed that both the Xbox One and its Kinect - which is required for the console to function - can be shut down completely.

"Yes, you can turn the system completely off," a Microsoft rep told Kotaku. "This would use no power and turn everything off.

"We are designing the new Kinect with simple, easy methods to customize privacy settings, provide clear notifications and meaningful privacy choices for how data will be used, stored and shared.

The rep went on to assure that privacy protection will be a key focus for the new console.

"We know our customers want and expect strong privacy protections to be built into our products, devices and services, and for companies to be responsible stewards of their data. Microsoft has more than ten years of experience making privacy a top priority. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Kinect for Xbox 360 was designed and built with strong privacy protections in place and the new Kinect will continue this commitment
. We'll share more details later," they said.

we haven't heard any horror stories from the current kinect....why would we now? It'd be even easier for them to use the current Kinect considering the main demographic has been for kids, and kids are EXTREMELY impressionable, MS could've waived any advertisements in front of those kids and they would've whined forever until they got it.
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post #194 of 289
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ok so if someone installed a loaded gun on a tripod in your living room but it was never to be actually used on you .. would you feel 'comfortable' ?

I don't even know why you're on the internet if you're so worried about this stuff.

"The man" already made a note of the people who will provide opposition to our goals in the early stages, yourself included.

Kinect isn't exactly some vital tool necessary for dominating you. Your neighbours are actually plants that tell them all they need to know about you.

When you aren't home (and they know, because they're your neighbours) many bugs were planted and they know everything.


Now they can see your thoughts too on internet forums. They know you have to be in the group to be neutralised first.

If you had to let your "neighbour" read your mail before it was posted, would you feel "comfortable"? No? Then why would you let an ISP potentially do it? Sure they aren't "the government", but the government could decide to snoop on everything you do on the internet, and then what?

World War 3 and the fulfilment of prophecies, that's what.

If anything that's "just one more nail in the coffin" for internet for you isn't it?


ITs a slippery slope man. I shouldn't even be telling you this stuff. You shouldn't be on the internet. It will be your fault when they get you.
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 5/30/13 at 6:38am
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I love all the EA Microsoft apologists in this thread.
 
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It makes me wonder if many people are not jumping the gun into the realm of paranoia. I know the old saying, "Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean the're not watching you." Still, from a purely technical standpoint these 'issues' don't make a lick of sense.

For example if this thing is always listening, it for sure can't record all of that data; that's just way to much. Just the act of always listening would be a HUGE drain on resources, Instead it is probably programmed to only listen for certain key words. You know, like "Xbox On", etc.
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http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/Xbox_One_Kinect
we haven't heard any horror stories from the current kinect....why would we now? It'd be even easier for them to use the current Kinect considering the main demographic has been for kids, and kids are EXTREMELY impressionable, MS could've waived any advertisements in front of those kids and they would've whined forever until they got it.

They are talking about shutting off the xbox completely...well duh...I could also unplug the thing to resolve this issue. However, that does not help the fact that if the Xbox is on...so is the kinect. If they are expecting people to use the Xbox for movies and even television that is a big deal.

There is no problem with the current kinect since there is no way to know if a kinect will be there or if it will be powered on. It also does not send any info over the Internet. So there is no target. The new way will require it to be there and it will be sending data to log you onto your live account. The 360 just isn't designed to send information like that. It probably can only see the kinect as a controller, but that is just a guess. We don't know how the next Xbox will function in this regard, but we have been told countless time that it was designed to be an online device.

There is potential for something very bad to happen here for not gaining all that much. I just can't see it being worth it. It will save you what? A button press or a mouse click? Provided you don't want the Kinect for gaming reasons. My kids get wild enough if I let them play a game...I don't need the game to actually be jumping around and getting more crazy. That is just asking for a trip to the Emergency Room.
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It makes me wonder if many people are not jumping the gun into the realm of paranoia. I know the old saying, "Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean the're not watching you." Still, from a purely technical standpoint these 'issues' don't make a lick of sense.

For example if this thing is always listening, it for sure can't record all of that data; that's just way to much. Just the act of always listening would be a HUGE drain on resources, Instead it is probably programmed to only listen for certain key words. You know, like "Xbox On", etc.

pretty much this. For everybody to be watched, 1/2 of the world must watch the other 1/2 of the world, who's watching them watch them......get it?
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pretty much this. For everybody to be watched, 1/2 of the world must watch the other 1/2 of the world, who's watching them watch them......get it?

What? No, I don't it works like that in this day of age.

We're being watched by machines. Machines record data and then separate the relevant bits from the junk. Now all of a sudden you only need a single person to keep tabs on thousands.
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What? No, I don't it works like that in this day of age.

We're being watched by machines. Machines record data and then separate the relevant bits from the junk. Now all of a sudden you only need a single person to keep tabs on thousands.

they just said you can turn the kinect off.....so why the paranoia? You think they invested millions in this Kinect just so they can make something to gauge what advertisements should be used? There're so many other technologies already in place that could do that...
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