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You can't buy newly released games on Steam for $30-40. Steam still charges you the same fee as the store for new games yet they don't have to deal with distribution.

sure but you see way more deals and sales, and better sales too
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Last time I checked $ony was responsible for the leakage of users data but CC's on the PSN. When is the last time MS got hacked and tons of user data stolen? Sony got hacked more then once, on more then just PSN.
$ony also has a Webcam bundled with the system that will also be watching you(and knowing sony they will wink.gif), considering you can turn the kinect off as MS has stated, the spying ability is no different the the ps4's ability. Other then the PS4 probably having lack luster software that might not keep hackers away from hacking into your webcam will make you feel secure. Hope you have fun not even plugging your ps4's web cam in and losing out on everything it brings.



As for the DRM aspect, funny PC users are complaining about non intrusive DRM as they have been using it for years with Steam. Atleast MS/$ony said they were still going to have used games, MS is adamant about killing Game Stops's business and $ony is leaving it up to the publishers what will probably go the same way as the Xbox. Xbox One and not using disc's is still the future, having to use a non intrusive DRM to achieve this is a must.

I don't know how you can expect anybody to take your posts seriously!!..READS POST:MS is king they aren't greedy company that makes mistakes but $ony is thumb.gif
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I don't know how you can expect anybody to take your posts seriously!!..READS POST:MS is king they aren't greedy company that makes mistakes but $ony is thumb.gif
all companies are bad, but sony is extra bad

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"Just 30 minutes after Whitney Houston died, Sony Music raised the price of Houston's greatest hits album, 'Ultimate Collection,' on iTunes and Amazon. Many technologists, including chairman of the NY Tech Meetup Andrew Rasiej, suggests that Sony should be boycotted for the move. In a tweet, Rasiej wrote, 'Geez Sony raised price on Whitney Houston's music 30 min after death was announced. #FAIL...We should boycott Sony.'"

business or not, that move was entirely disrespectful and goes to show where their values lay
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all companies are bad, but sony is extra bad

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business or not, that move was entirely disrespectful and goes to show where their values lay
Can't really say i blame Sony for doing it.

And this is obviously another attempt to defend MS thumb.gif
Edited by BIGJOEJGDE - 5/31/13 at 6:48pm
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Or that MS has to abide by all the same rules as anybody else. Did you give up your right to privacy when you bought a cell phone?

Actually, yes. I did. The government has every right to subpoena your carrier to track your cell phone's location, and thus your location, with no warrant and no judicial approval.

Furthermore, because the cell phone uses public air waves, the SCOTUS has ruled that wiretapping laws do not come into effect and the government is free to pick up your cell signal and listen in to any call you make or track any data you transmit, no warrant needed.

So yes, you gave up an expectation of privacy when you bought a cell phone.
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I don't know how you can expect anybody to take your posts seriously!!..READS POST:MS is king they aren't greedy company that makes mistakes but $ony is thumb.gif

No not really, kinda just showing that MS really is no different then most companies. MS really is no different then Google and most other corporations that want you to use their stuff.
Just sick of people saying M$ when $ony has been in the $$ business for a much longer time.
Last time I checked $ony still pays groups of people to monitor other people torrenting traffic just so they can notify ISP's, if that doesn't scream privacy invasion IDK what does. While Torrenting is bad, watching peoples traffic is worse.

MS doesn't need defending, We need people advocating against buying a sony product more then anything. Sony is 10x more likely to spy on you with this tech anyways, and would be the first one's to use the kinect/ps4 camera to monitor number of people watching their movies as well. You could make a Entire Thread about the shady things $ony had done.
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I for one will not be buying a Xbox one until they have been modded and I can disable the Kinect aswel as many other things.
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MS doesn't need defending, We need people advocating against buying a sony product more then anything. Sony is 10x more likely to spy on you with this tech anyways, and would be the first one's to use the kinect/ps4 camera to monitor number of people watching their movies as well. You could make a Entire Thread about the shady things $ony had done.

yeah we need people using logical fallacies like "tu quoque" in this thread more
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This is one of those cases where I have to say that stuff like this happens no matter you do. That is just one of those unfortunate events that are terrible. That does happen here as well but I would not call it common place. As far as talking in the living room that is a mundane activity. For the most part you wouldn't learn anything from listening in on it.

Ever use Dragon, by chance? It's very good at picking up words and phrases accurately. Not a stretch at all to see more personalized targeted advertising based on what a modern voice recognition software hears. Heck, it might even tip off law enforcement to escalating home situations or criminal activity. If you've kept up at all with government usage of newer technologies, it is typically executed in a "better to ask forgiveness than permission" standpoint. I can almost guarantee this will land in a high court somewhere in the US for 4th Amendment concerns.
    
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Ever use Dragon, by chance? It's very good at picking up words and phrases accurately. Not a stretch at all to see more personalized targeted advertising based on what a modern voice recognition software hears. Heck, it might even tip off law enforcement to escalating home situations or criminal activity. If you've kept up at all with government usage of newer technologies, it is typically executed in a "better to ask forgiveness than permission" standpoint. I can almost guarantee this will land in a high court somewhere in the US for 4th Amendment concerns.

You still fail to recognize the fact you would be listening to millions of people at one time. I know exactly how well Dragon works or doesn't really when you start having multiple people talking in normal conversation tones. Grab a couple microphones and get 3 or 4 people talking all at into a single microphone and see what comes out. That would be assuming that the kinect is doing all the processing and monitoring and making the decision to flag something for further investigation.

Another point of contention I would make would be that the "keywords" that are flagged in conversations for further investigation are actually quite common. Ever sat in the same room with a 12 year old playing a game? Immediate flagging for analysis. How many 12 year olds play xbox? The amount of normal conversations that would be flagged would be very high. You are right it easy enough to pick keywords but analyzing a conversation is a much different matter. So each flagged conversation that would be flagged would then need additional analysis by a person which would be a massive effort on Microsoft's part or even all government agencies combined.

Now for advertising will Microsoft be listening for keywords like Coke, Advil, etc..Possibly but it would still take quite a bit more effort than looking at credit cards and local sales figures which are easy to get. Hey not to mention we have a very easy way to see if the xbox is uploading anything. I hope I am not the only person that actually watches my network traffic going in an out.

I do keep up with what is government agencies are allowed to do as it was kind of my job. There are currently only two forms of digital communications that can be monitored and recorded for use in a federal case. Those are GPS locations from cellular devices and VoIP conversations when encrypted by a third party service. (Encrypt it yourself and you are not required to decrypt it without a warrant.) To watch or record would be the definition of a "bug" and are very heavily regulated and covered by super-warrants. Technically the only agency that would be allowed to get around the need for a warrant would by the NSA. That isn't to say though that it isn't that hard for any other agencies to quickly get the NSA to be involved in an investigation. Still it takes quite a bit more than a few keywords from conversations to even appear as a blip on the radar to anyone.

In the end it just simply does not make sense to me to attempt this type of data mining. To believe some (not all) of the claims made by people spouted in this thread and other forums would require some massive leaps that I cannot make in my thought processes. Many things are possible but very few are likely.
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