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Oh, goodyy. This thread.

M$: We're not spying on you.

YES YOU ARE, and YES YOU WILL CONTINUE TO. The only reason for this thing to have to have the Kinnect plugged in AND have to have it either phone home once a day or be always connected is because the microphone built into the Kinnect is listening for keywords that will be processed on the central servers specifically to tailor targeted advertising to that IP address. And if the NSA wants to dil in and use the camera/mic to spy on the person I guaranty there's a back door built in just for US intelligence.

Sorry, why would any business choose to do something that would cost quite a bit up front to do and continue to cost more with absolutely no chance for making profit? Would you as a business owner invest millions in something that you will never see any profit from? If NSA is involved you having already stepped past FBI, CIA, DoD, and NGA watches and very much likely be involved in something worth looking at. Still doesn't make sense to use an xbox for intelligence mining because of the amount of resources it would take to do it.
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A cell phone is an audio/visual bug that be dialed into remotely US intelligence without alerting the user. This was mandated in the US in the 90's with the Clinton Telecom bill and implemented almost ten years ago. Also it's a GPS beacon that can be used to triangulate your position to within a meter. And their favorite part is that YOU pay for it.

While yes it possible to listen to cell conversations you still need a warrant to do so (baring an imminent danger situation). It still falls under the digital telecommunications act that Clinton signed in junction with the original telephony act from the late 70's. My biggest point of contention that is still under debate is the tracking of people with GPS from cell phones. You can not be bugged with a GPS tracker that much is true but you willingly carry your cell phone essentially bugging yourself. The supreme court failed to make a decision on it because Scalia had better things to ponder apparently which frustrates me greatly.

I will point out though the a cell phone's GPS can not be reliable to anything less than 10m and non-GPS phone are limited to viewshed characteristics of overlapping tower signal that could be several square miles. GPS equipment that can resolve to a meter or less needs a static connection to a base differential corrections network such as H-Star, OmniStar, SpidrNET, RTN/RTK network or holding a static position for more than an hour using static positioning algorithms that are mostly propriety. That technology is not in your cell phone. GPS system that are accurate to 1m or less cost upwards of $5000 not to mention the access feed to a RTCM stream resolving a position in real time. Still for a person anything within 100 feet is more than accurate enough to find someone.
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Your Facebook page is your own personal security dossier that you update for them. You provide all the data required to profile you. Google has admitted that they can guess your physical location based on your search history based on where exactly the data was sent.

The next generation of kitchen appliances will be internet/wifi enabled and always on. Expect RFID scanners in the refrigerator to detect that you just drank you last Coke(just an example) and send you and ad to remind you to buy more.

Bottom line, the ONLY WAY currently to have any privacy is not to own any telecommunications devices at all. That's going to become impossible soon as the major manufacturers make everything into a telecom device specifically so that you can't escape their inverted Panopticon.

This is all very true and Microsoft is doing and will continue to do just like every other business. I don't blame them nor am I upset about anyone knowing what things I look at on the web, purchase with my credit card, or determine where I live (I mean come on I have an address, job, and bills someone could use to find me.) I respect my privacy as much as yours and I agree we should a choice for these things. The only real way to escape it is to live in a cave alone. I do not in the slightest think the xbox is a spy tool though and I sill urge people to become familiar in regards to privacy and technical possibilities.

Look I know we see a lot of cool things that are possible in theory but the intelligence community does not work like that. They neither want to or need to watch 99.99999% of the world doing anything. Generally the process is started by a criminal act that leads to an investigation. Simply hearing or seeing things in a living room does not provide enough incentive for them to bother investigating no matter who you are. It would be like putting the cart before the horse. I speak not from my opinion but from personal experience and from facts. Google intelligence agencies operations manuals (which are public record) and you learn how most of these things work.

The whole xbox conversation is rather stale at this point. Anyone want to start a thread on privacy in regards to all types of technology and laws at different levels of government? State laws can be quite different from federal laws so what your local law enforcement can do vary upon location; like California where privacy is very well protected. Federal laws do of course trump those if required.
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Originally Posted by Jarhead View Post

Oh, goodyy. This thread.

M$: We're not spying on you.

YES YOU ARE, and YES YOU WILL CONTINUE TO. The only reason for this thing to have to have the Kinnect plugged in AND have to have it either phone home once a day or be always connected is because the microphone built into the Kinnect is listening for keywords that will be processed on the central servers specifically to tailor targeted advertising to that IP address. And if the NSA wants to dil in and use the camera/mic to spy on the person I guaranty there's a back door built in just for US intelligence.

A cell phone is an audio/visual bug that be dialed into remotely US intelligence without alerting the user. This was mandated in the US in the 90's with the Clinton Telecom bill and implemented almost ten years ago. Also it's a GPS beacon that can be used to triangulate your position to within a meter. And their favorite part is that YOU pay for it.

Your Facebook page is your own personal security dossier that you update for them. You provide all the data required to profile you. Google has admitted that they can guess your physical location based on your search history based on where exactly the data was sent.

The next generation of kitchen appliances will be internet/wifi enabled and always on. Expect RFID scanners in the refrigerator to detect that you just drank you last Coke(just an example) and send you and ad to remind you to buy more.

Bottom line, the ONLY WAY currently to have any privacy is not to own any telecommunications devices at all. That's going to become impossible soon as the major manufacturers make everything into a telecom device specifically so that you can't escape their inverted Panopticon.

Take off the tinfoil hat man. "A cell phone is an audio/visual bug that be dialed into remotely US intelligence without alerting the user". Did you even read what you typed?


"Google has admitted that they can guess your physical location based on your search history based on where exactly the data was sent". Anybody with your IP address can do that, yo.
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I don't have any facts to represent my opinions but as far as i see it our 'privacy' was lost a long time ago. We all have phones, laptops, facebook etc and mostly everybody is well aware that these devices/programs/websites can and do monitor us.

It is invasive and concerning and we all wish it wasn't so but at the end of the day who really cares or takes drastic steps to fight it?

Do most people change they way they behave with full knowledge of this monitoring, no they don't and why? because unless you are premeditating illegal activities or engaging in illegal activities no one really cares what you do, especially the government or big corporations who we are all so concerned about, just pay your taxes, vote for them or buy their products and they couldn't care less about you, that's all they really want.

This invasive technology comes hand in hand with the technology we do want (being performance / ease of use / automation to make our lives easier / entertainment). It is a first world problem that i/we accept because the alternative is to effectively live in what is defined as a 'third world country'.

Although i believe it is not something worth losing sleep over i still take reasonable means to be sensible about my technology usage i.e i don't allow all my devices to be synchronized, i don't allow anyone that isn't someone i have added to view my facebook, i don't allow websites to track my usage and present me with adds of things that their predictive algorithms perceive i will enjoy.
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Here is the Prototype XBOX ONE Kinnect. biggrin.gif

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Look I know we see a lot of cool things that are possible in theory but the intelligence community does not work like that. They neither want to or need to watch 99.99999% of the world doing anything. Generally the process is started by a criminal act that leads to an investigation..

Oh, really?
NSA collecting phone records of millions of Verizon customers daily
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order

And that's just for Verizon. I'm sure there's separate court orders for all the other carriers. And where could all of that digital information possibly be going?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

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Take off the tinfoil hat man. "A cell phone is an audio/visual bug that be dialed into remotely US intelligence without alerting the user". Did you even read what you typed?

And here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr5r9UnIiT4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVNNekZpIvw
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And how many times to I need to repeat that you can turn the Kinect off.....COMPLETELY

 

All Microsoft stated was that it is possible to shut down the system, not Kinect on it's own, going by the information that you posted.

 

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Seeking to allay fears, Microsoft has confirmed that both the Xbox One and its Kinect - which is required for the console to function - can be shut down completely.

"Yes, you can turn the system completely off," a Microsoft rep told Kotaku. "This would use no power and turn everything off.

 

There is nothing here that states specifically that Kinect can be turned off separately, only the entire system. Most likely via a switch on the back.


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Oh, really?
NSA collecting phone records of millions of Verizon customers daily
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order

And that's just for Verizon. I'm sure there's separate court orders for all the other carriers. And where could all of that digital information possibly be going?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center
And here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr5r9UnIiT4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVNNekZpIvw

Two stupid sensationalist youtube clips with no evidence from FOX NEWS. This is almost insulting. Your name is fitting.
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Oh hey look at that...

[Washington Post]Documents: U.S. mining data from 9 leading Internet firms; companies deny knowledge
http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html

Guess WaPo has their tinfoil on too. But we all know that US intelligence doesn't work that way.....
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They are going to spy on you.
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Oh hey look at that...

[Washington Post]Documents: U.S. mining data from 9 leading Internet firms; companies deny knowledge
http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html

Guess WaPo has their tinfoil on too. But we all know that US intelligence doesn't work that way.....

Sorry, I can't read anything you post now.
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