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Sorry, I can't read anything you post now.

You know denial isn't just a river. Sorry, but Microsoft was named as one of the company that the NSA was tapping into to spy on American's. Microsoft can try to deny all they want about the Kinetic not spying on you, but the NSA story opens an already huge privacy concern now.

To deny that it is a possibility is stupid.
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You know denial isn't just a river. Sorry, but Microsoft was named as one of the company that the NSA was tapping into to spy on American's. Microsoft can try to deny all they want about the Kinetic not spying on you, but the NSA story opens an already huge privacy concern now.

To deny that it is a possibility is stupid.

You really think they will open themselves up to a metric ton of lawsuits by snooping on you? What would they gain? What? Putting all of the infrastructure in place that costs lots of money and risking an unimaginable PR disaster and lawsuits for what? Risk all of that so the NSA can execute a search warrant easier? The second the first case got out the internet and news would EAT it up like there's no tomorrow. I'm pretty sure, even with the patriot act, that the NSA has to have a search warrant to place a video camera in your house.

I originally came back to post this new news:
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Players will also control whether Kinect is on, off or paused. "If you don’t want the Kinect sensor on while playing games or enjoying your entertainment, you can pause Kinect. To turn off your Xbox One, just say 'Xbox Off.' When the system is off, it’s only listening for the single voice command -- 'Xbox On,' and you can even turn that feature off too. Some apps and games may require Kinect functionality to operate, so you’ll need to turn it back on for these experiences."

Your personal data will never be available to anyone outside of your console, Microsoft stressed. "You can play games or enjoy applications that use data, such as videos, photos, facial expressions, heart rate and more, but this data will not leave your Xbox One without your explicit permission."
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You know denial isn't just a river. Sorry, but Microsoft was named as one of the company that the NSA was tapping into to spy on American's. Microsoft can try to deny all they want about the Kinetic not spying on you, but the NSA story opens an already huge privacy concern now.

To deny that it is a possibility is stupid.

totally agree. anyone that is not understanding the larger implications of this news just wants to be a coppertop.
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You really think they will open themselves up to a metric ton of lawsuits by snooping on you? What would they gain? What? Putting all of the infrastructure in place that costs lots of money and risking an unimaginable PR disaster and lawsuits for what? Risk all of that so the NSA can execute a search warrant easier? The second the first case got out the internet and news would EAT it up like there's no tomorrow. I'm pretty sure, even with the patriot act, that the NSA has to have a search warrant to place a video camera in your house.


u really don't know history well do you. no offense implied. but seriously you need to do some simple studying of history. a good place to start is cointelpro.
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You really think they will open themselves up to a metric ton of lawsuits by snooping on you?

They who, the US Government? Do you know how hard it is to sue the US Government? Given all that is going on with the NSA and IRS lately, having an "always on" device that pretty much has to be attached to the internet to use in its intended capacity, that can look and listen to you (with it's own built in "night mode"), is just a little too ... unnerving. Even if Microsoft says that THEY won't spy on you (and we all now, of course, that Microsoft has never lied to customers before, right?), given what is going on with the NSA and an out of control government and the fact that the NSA has their hooks into Microsoft, this opens up a gaping hole in privacy to the government (both OURS, as well as hackers from others, see China).


As far as the ability to turn the XBO off, well, short of pulling the physical plug out of the wall, I'd bet my bottom dollar it can be remotely turned on. You do know that cell phones and even computers, that have the wake on lan option turned on, can be turned on remotely, not to mention modern TV's and radios ... right? I hope you know that. Many devices these days are never really OFF, unless you pull the plug.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 6/7/13 at 10:22am
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They who, the US Government? Do you know how hard it is to sue the US Government? Given all that is going on with the NSA and IRS lately, having an "always on" device that pretty much has to be attached to the internet to use in its intended capacity, that can look and listen to you (with it's own built in "night mode"), is just a little too ... unnerving. Even if Microsoft says that THEY won't spy on you (and we all now, of course, that Microsoft has never lied to customers before, right?), given what is going on with the NSA and an out of control government and the fact that the NSA has their hooks into Microsoft, this opens up a gaping hole in privacy to the government (both OURS, as well as hackers from others, see China).


As far as the ability to turn the XBO off, well, short of pulling the physical plug out of the wall, I'd bet my bottom dollar it can be remotely turned on. You do know that cell phones and even computers, that have the wake on lan option turned on, can be turned on remotely, not to mention modern TV's and radios ... right? I hope you know that. Many devices these days are never really OFF, unless you pull the plug.

Why was this not brought up on the original kinect? Doesn't the 3DS and PSVita have a front facing camera? What about that PS Eye or all the cameras on our laptops? Surely MS invested the millions of dollars in research on more than just a spy cam.

What does MS need to say or prove for you to believe them? I guess cameras just are no longer a trustworthy product to purchase right?
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Why was this not brought up on the original kinect? Doesn't the 3DS and PSVita have a front facing camera? What about that PS Eye or all the cameras on our laptops? Surely MS invested the millions of dollars in research on more than just a spy cam.

What does MS need to say or prove for you to believe them? I guess cameras just are no longer a trustworthy product to purchase right?

It was.

Kinect IS Spying on you. November 2010.

http://www.lazygamer.net/xbox-360/kinect-is-spying-on-you/

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Sections 9 and 12 of the updated terms of service are particularly scary :

If you accept the agreement, you “expressly authorize and consent to us accessing or disclosing information about you, including the content of your communications, in order to: (a) comply with the law or respond to lawful requests or legal process; (b) protect the rights or property of Microsoft, our partners, or our customers, including the enforcement of our agreements or policies governing your use of the Service; or (c) act on a good faith belief that such access or disclosure is necessary to protect the personal safety of Microsoft employees, customers, or the public.”

Also scary? they reserve the right to monitor your voice and chat sessions using their new camera system. Personal privacy? Not so personal, not so private.

“You should not expect any level of privacy concerning your use of the live communication features (for example, voice chat, video and communications in live-hosted gameplay sessions) offered through the Service.” They obviously won’t – and can’t – monitor every single system at the same time, but they say that they have the right to do so “to the maximum extent permitted by law.”

Microsoft also “reserves the right at all times to disclose any information as necessary to satisfy any applicable law, regulation, legal process or governmental request, or to edit, refuse to post or to remove any information or materials, in whole or in part, in Microsoft’s sole discretion.” Break the law in front of your Kinect system? You could be up against the law.



Pa. School Faces FBI Probe, Lawsuit, for Using Webcams on Laptops to Watch Students at Home

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Parenting/pennsylvania-school-fbi-probe-webcam-students-spying/story?id=9905488
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The FBI and a Philadelphia-area prosecutor are looking into whether a school district broke the law when it remotely activated cameras on school-owned laptops and watched students in their homes.

The parents of 15-year-old Blake Robbins have filed a lawsuit against Harriton High School of the Lower Merion School District, alleging their son's privacy was violated.

The teenager said he found out about the remote surveillance when he was confronted by his assistant principal at the Rosemont school.



Etc, etc, etc.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 6/7/13 at 10:29am
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In that case, he was using a school computer.....If you took your corporate phone home, do you not think they have logs of what's going on?

EDIT: I don't think that what happened in that case was right, but it's a Kinect.....you can turn it off....It'll watch you play games.....big whoop
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In that case, he was using a school computer.....If you took your corporate phone home, do you not think they have logs of what's going on?

You asked, I gave.

I really don't feel like playing a whole host of "who owns what" scenarios, because ultimately, I could just cut right to the chase and go with "Well, the government owns and regulates the airwaves and thus by your logic, since they own and regulate the airwaves, they can spy on you."


And as far as the XBox example I gave you from 2 years ago, if you can't see the tie in with what just broke with the NSA yesterday, well ...

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“You should not expect any level of privacy concerning your use of the live communication features (for example, voice chat, video and communications in live-hosted gameplay sessions) offered through the Service.”


Microsoft also “reserves the right at all times to disclose any information as necessary to satisfy any applicable law, regulation, legal process or governmental request, or to edit, refuse to post or to remove any information or materials, in whole or in part, in Microsoft’s sole discretion.”

Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 6/7/13 at 10:40am
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Saw this and just had to....


Oh, and this is nothing new. The earliest version was declassified in the 90's:
ECHELON
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
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