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Actually never mind what I said before that was $290. Get the FX-8320 and a Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3. That board has sufficient power phasing to overclock the 8320 and both the 8320 streams better than the 3570. Both the 8350 and 8320 beat the 3570 in streaming. I'm serious though, if you want to stream in 720P the 8 core Piledrivers are better than the 3570.

The total will put you at $263.96
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Actually never mind what I said before that was $290. Get the FX-8320 and a Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3. That board has sufficient power phasing to overclock the 8320 and both the 8320 streams better than the 3570. Both the 8350 and 8320 beat the 3570 in streaming. I'm serious though, if you want to stream in 720P the 8 core Piledrivers are better than the 3570.

The total will put you at $263.96
I honestly dont see what the point of getting a octa-core processor to deal with what is going to be at most a 10mbps encoded video stream... seems like some amd fanboyism coming to play here o.o

The 8320 is actually more expensive, both in price and its tdp is i think double the 3570... and the 3570 is on average a better performer... so yeah.
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Streaming aside, how does the FX-8350 measure up to the 3570?

For all the people giving me microcenter links, thanks but I unfortunately don't live within driving distance of any of them : /

The stream will mostly be for league of legends, though hopefully it could handle things slightly more intensive.
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not sure I understand ur budget

if you are looking for a cpu/mobo under $260 total that's going to be tough.

for flawless streaming I recommend a K series cpu u can overclock, if your comfortable with OCing and can afford it.

any decent mobo with the features you need from a reputable manufacturer will serve you well. if OCing make sure its one with a chipset that supports it.

it really depends what games you are streaming, anything CPU intensive will fight with your stream. I think it also depends whether you are encoding video on your end, im assuming you are. transcoding or whatever it is, im not that familiar.

basically if you task your cpu with encoding your stream to 720p and playing your game, and your game uses 4 cores, then every bit of processor power you can afford will help with smooth streaming. (since you are on a budget your not going to have too much power for your needs)

eg LoL will be fine with your setup, bf3 will lag hard at high settings, sc2 will lag but not much. etc.

so to summarize, if you are streaming a game that doesn't use much cpu, or only uses 2 cores worth, you will be fine with your proposed build, great if you got a K series and OC it. games that use a lot of your cpu already may not perform super awesome with a stock cpu @ 3.4 GHz when streaming due to cpu bottleneck.

super lastly, more cpu wont hurt your photoshop experience.

Would get a k series but I'm poor enough and struggling already to get a cpu/mobo with my current budget. i can go over 260 but not by much.

Is the suggestion that someone listed of Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($72.99 @ Newegg) fine if I wasn't doing overclocking? Is having only 1 6gb/s sata port ok if i am using an ssd + an hdd in the future?

Also I don't think I would be streaming something like bf3, but LoL is something I would be looking at. I would still like to play bf3 comfortably at decent fps.

PS, what does the X at the end of Z77 signify?
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I honestly dont see what the point of getting a octa-core processor to deal with what is going to be at most a 10mbps encoded video stream... seems like some amd fanboyism coming to play here o.o

The 8320 is actually more expensive, both in price and its tdp is i think double the 3570... and the 3570 is on average a better performer... so yeah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE&feature=c4-overview&playnext=1&list=TLUk8C8OYbVvc
Not "fanboyism." It really is better at streaming and performs better in a few games. However you are right about the TDP thing but the 8320 is cheaper than the 3570 in price.
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Streaming aside, how does the FX-8350 measure up to the 3570?

For all the people giving me microcenter links, thanks but I unfortunately don't live within driving distance of any of them : /

The stream will mostly be for league of legends, though hopefully it could handle things slightly more intensive.
Would get a k series but I'm poor enough and struggling already to get a cpu/mobo with my current budget. i can go over 260 but not by much.

Is the suggestion that someone listed of Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($72.99 @ Newegg) fine if I wasn't doing overclocking? Is having only 1 6gb/s sata port ok if i am using an ssd + an hdd in the future?

Also I don't think I would be streaming something like bf3, but LoL is something I would be looking at. I would still like to play bf3 comfortably at decent fps.

PS, what does the X at the end of Z77 signify?

View the link I responded to the other user with smile.gif Also both the 3570 and 8320 would serve you well in games as they are pretty equal however you may want to overclock the 8320 slightly so that it is at the clock speeds of an 8350. Oh, and I don't think the "X" signifies anything in the Z77X-UD3H. The chipset is still Z77 however if aren't getting an unlocked CPU you don't need that chipset.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE&feature=c4-overview&playnext=1&list=TLUk8C8OYbVvc
Not "fanboyism." It really is better at streaming and performs better in a few games. However you are right about the TDP thing but the 8320 is cheaper than the 3570 in price.
View the link I responded to the other user with smile.gif Also both the 3570 and 8320 would serve you well in games as they are pretty equal however you may want to overclock the 8320 slightly so that it is at the clock speeds of an 8350. Oh, and I don't think the "X" signifies anything in the Z77X-UD3H. The chipset is still Z77 however if aren't getting an unlocked CPU you don't need that chipset.

At the pricepoint it probably makes sense, but what teksyndicate doesnt talk about is overclocking headroom... the 3570 all that really needs to be done to hit 4.5ghz on a lot of chips is just raising the multiplier to 45... and then try to compare the two wink.gif
Fact of the matter is that games are mostly optimized for quadcores now spawning 2 or 4 main threads, perhaps if a game took advantage of 8 cores the 8320 would outpace the 3570. The streaming OP is talking about is streaming 720p content(not even fhd content) on twitch, which a crappy dual core from 2004 can do perfectly fine. The streaming YOU are talking about is broadcasting using OBS/xsplit with the cpu load being h264, which more threads definitely helps(which is why the i7s destroy encoding)
   
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ok all amd posts aside,

if you primary build purpose is to stream LoL you probably don't even need a K series to OC. afaik LoL uses no anything at all.

eg @ 4.4 GHz and with 1 gcard I can max LoL and it doesn't use much of anything, cpu, ram, gpu, gpu vram, all still have plenty of overhead. its a really light game in terms of system requirements.

again, for other games the cpu can become a large or even the primary factor affecting performance when streaming.

for reference my friend has pretty decent LoL stream quality @720p and no ingame lag while streaming from a i5 760 on 1156 with 8gb gskill 1600 and no overclock, running 1x 560TI 2GB. so that's around the bare minimum cpu wise, any newer 4 core will smash LoL while streaming.
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At the pricepoint it probably makes sense, but what teksyndicate doesnt talk about is overclocking headroom... the 3570 all that really needs to be done to hit 4.5ghz on a lot of chips is just raising the multiplier to 45... and then try to compare the two wink.gif
Fact of the matter is that games are mostly optimized for quadcores now spawning 2 or 4 main threads, perhaps if a game took advantage of 8 cores the 8320 would outpace the 3570. The streaming OP is talking about is streaming 720p content(not even fhd content) on twitch, which a crappy dual core from 2004 can do perfectly fine. The streaming YOU are talking about is broadcasting using OBS/xsplit with the cpu load being h264, which more threads definitely helps(which is why the i7s destroy encoding)

Oh, I thought he meant xsplit. However I will say that the 8320 and 8350 have that same overclocking headroom. But in his case the 3570 and a B75 or H77 chipset motherboard would probably be the most efficient set up he can do. Also bear in mind that next gen games have a decent possibility of being optimized for more cores due to the next gen consoles. Battlefield 4 I know for a fact will because there is an AMD advertisement on the BF4 page.
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Oh, I thought he meant xsplit. However I will say that the 8320 and 8350 have that same overclocking headroom. But in his case the 3570 and a B75 or H77 chipset motherboard would probably be the most efficient set up he can do. Also bear in mind that next gen games have a decent possibility of being optimized for more cores due to the next gen consoles. Battlefield 4 I know for a fact will because there is an AMD advertisement on the BF4 page.
I dont think the 8350 does, because it already starts off with double the TDP, so a minor OC would cause the thing to consume ridiculous amounts of power making lofty OCs really inefficient.
BUT it does cover that $260 pricepoint since its $160 allowing for a midrange $100 mobo to be selected... I personally wouldn't compromise the cpu but given the situation op is in the 8350 probably is a good route to go.
If he had a microcenter near him there's no way I would say this though, $265 for the extreme4 + 3570k is so sweet...
   
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I dont think the 8350 does, because it already starts off with double the TDP, so a minor OC would cause the thing to consume ridiculous amounts of power making lofty OCs really inefficient.
BUT it does cover that $260 pricepoint since its $160 allowing for a midrange $100 mobo to be selected... I personally wouldn't compromise the cpu but given the situation op is in the 8350 probably is a good route to go.
If he had a microcenter near him there's no way I would say this though, $265 for the extreme4 + 3570k is so sweet...

I agree but the 8320 is the only one that allows him to get a mobo with proper power phasing. So 8320 + GA-970A-UD3 is probably his most cost effective route however he will get driven up a couple dollars every month due to TDP. I honestly would take the 8320 overclock it to 8350 speeds and be done with it. Also though the 8350 overclocked to 4.5 Ghz drains about $20 a year more in power than an i5 3570K at 4.5 Ghz.
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