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Hey OCN,

I'm using a 560be oc'd to 3.8ghz, i get good performance for audio but i have a micro atx mobo and need more slots so i thought i'd get an AM3+ board and keep using the 560 then stick a faster processor in there when i can so started looking at various AM3+ boards, the one i settled is the Asrock Extreme4 970 as it has support for legacy hardware that i need.

Is that a good mobo to build a system from? I'm stuck on whether to get the mobo now and which one to get (FX/X9/970 etc) or wait until i do a new system build in 6 months. Like i say the 560be is ok, runs the latest games and decent performance in audio apps. I could use more expansion slots whatever but i'm trying to think about the cpu upgrade as well, how much better is performance on the new AMD processors compared to Phenom IIs etc? Will the Asrock be capable of ocing an 8350 if i decided to get one?

Thanks.
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Do you need a PCI slot? You could pick up a used sabertooth or a 990 UD5 for a decent price.

The UD5 has a PCI slot and a great 8+2 VRM.

I don't know what is around the corner for AMD but as of right now you can put the best AMD processor into those boards so I see no reason to wait unless you plan on going intel.

If AMD has something around the corner that will not be AM3+ then yes you may want to wait but as of right now I would say grab a good AM3+ board and then buy one of the flagship CPUs.

I have been a huge supporter of asrock and asus but right now I can really only recommend the gigabyte line up in the middle end boards.
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Oh also the extreme4 has a 4+1 VRM design so yeh again... Nothing against them and I would say 4+1 would be fine for intel cpus but I would feel much better about having a 8+2 design if you are going to be OCing with it.
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If you were going to change CPU and MObo then think about considering both intel and AMD. While im a huge fan of AMD its primarily because I find overclocking a bit more fun. If overclocking (especially AMD FX) I would look at more ppower phases than just 4.

ASUS Sabertooth 990FX is a great board for AM3. I dont think there is any new AMD socket coming out anytime soon.
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Originally Posted by givmedew View Post

Do you need a PCI slot? You could pick up a used sabertooth or a 990 UD5 for a decent price.

The UD5 has a PCI slot and a great 8+2 VRM.

I don't know what is around the corner for AMD but as of right now you can put the best AMD processor into those boards so I see no reason to wait unless you plan on going intel.

If AMD has something around the corner that will not be AM3+ then yes you may want to wait but as of right now I would say grab a good AM3+ board and then buy one of the flagship CPUs.

I have been a huge supporter of asrock and asus but right now I can really only recommend the gigabyte line up in the middle end boards.
Forgot to say i was also looking at a Gigabyte UD# or various Asus mobos so thanks for that, had come across the UD5 which looks very nice. Reason i picked the Asrock was for IDE support and yeah i need a PCI slot but i wanted to check that it was gonna be a good choice, i'd rather get something that has good components than bells and whistles.
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Oh also the extreme4 has a 4+1 VRM design so yeh again... Nothing against them and I would say 4+1 would be fine for intel cpus but I would feel much better about having a 8+2 design if you are going to be OCing with it.
Thanks for that tip, i was wondering about power designs. I was also looking at used and refurbished boards on ebay, is there a risk of used boards failing or dying? I nearly bought a sabertooth rev 1 for £50 but it hadn't been tested by the seller...
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Originally Posted by dihartnell View Post

If you were going to change CPU and MObo then think about considering both intel and AMD. While im a huge fan of AMD its primarily because I find overclocking a bit more fun. If overclocking (especially AMD FX) I would look at more ppower phases than just 4.

ASUS Sabertooth 990FX is a great board for AM3. I dont think there is any new AMD socket coming out anytime soon.
Thanks just mobo for now which i have why i been in doubt, get the mobo and keep using the 560be or keep my current system as is and do an 8350 or intel build in a few months. So I thought don't spend too much on the mobo now, if it needs a performance boost get a 965 or X6...
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Not being tested by the user to me means that they might know it is defective and just say that to get out of any issues... but if they say it is good then I would go for it. I don't think that you really have to worry about the boards going bad later because they where used or even abused... I would not buy a board the was used for LN2 but those are few and far between. I have a heavily used rampage III extreme and I am willing to bet it will out live the CPU unless one of the ram slots go bad which is a known issue with that board.

I don't think there are any known issues with the Sabertooth. I don't want this to cause an argument but I wouldn't buy an Asus board new... I think they are horrible at supporting the software on their boards and as soon as a new chipset comes out they stop developing software for the boards... I have had issues with Asus OCing software on every Asus board I have owned. The VRMs on the Gigabyte boards are going to be of equal or greater quality as the ASUS ones.

If IDE is a must then... well it is a must but honestly with how cheap IDE to USB adapters are you could just stick the usb adapter onto the IDE drive and plug it into the motherboards internal usb ports if you have the right adapter for that... Or just run it external.

Did you need 2 PCI slots or just one? Also what are you plugging into the PCI slot? Might be time to turn the old motherboard and CPU into a server and keep the old stuff in that.



As far as if you are thinking about going Intel then the conversation changes a lot... I am not going to tell anyone to go to one camp or another but I assure you I am not a fanboy and I just switched to Intel from years of nonstop AMD use...

If there is a Microcenter near you I would hands down say go INTEL! If not then it is up in the air I can't say that the 8350 is better than a 3570k or vice versa. I know there are tons of people that will argue that to the death but I assure you that it is not that easy of a comparison. It is also my belief (from experience) that you do not need a great VRM for decent OCs on the 3570K but I wouldn't go 4+1 on a 8350 that is for sure... Sure someone else out there has done it with no issue but that's just my opinion... I usually steer my customers towards Intel processors and AMD Video cards (this year) but who knows what it would be next year.
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Your originalpost said you needed more slots and was happy with the 560BE performance. I would just replace the mobo in that scenario. If you also wanted to buy another CPU then I would then consider Intel and look pretty hard at HAswell CPU and Z87 series mobos being released very shortly.
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Not being tested by the user to me means that they might know it is defective and just say that to get out of any issues... but if they say it is good then I would go for it. I don't think that you really have to worry about the boards going bad later because they where used or even abused... I would not buy a board the was used for LN2 but those are few and far between. I have a heavily used rampage III extreme and I am willing to bet it will out live the CPU unless one of the ram slots go bad which is a known issue with that board.

I don't think there are any known issues with the Sabertooth. I don't want this to cause an argument but I wouldn't buy an Asus board new... I think they are horrible at supporting the software on their boards and as soon as a new chipset comes out they stop developing software for the boards... I have had issues with Asus OCing software on every Asus board I have owned. The VRMs on the Gigabyte boards are going to be of equal or greater quality as the ASUS ones.

If IDE is a must then... well it is a must but honestly with how cheap IDE to USB adapters are you could just stick the usb adapter onto the IDE drive and plug it into the motherboards internal usb ports if you have the right adapter for that... Or just run it external.

Did you need 2 PCI slots or just one? Also what are you plugging into the PCI slot? Might be time to turn the old motherboard and CPU into a server and keep the old stuff in that.



As far as if you are thinking about going Intel then the conversation changes a lot... I am not going to tell anyone to go to one camp or another but I assure you I am not a fanboy and I just switched to Intel from years of nonstop AMD use...

If there is a Microcenter near you I would hands down say go INTEL! If not then it is up in the air I can't say that the 8350 is better than a 3570k or vice versa. I know there are tons of people that will argue that to the death but I assure you that it is not that easy of a comparison. It is also my belief (from experience) that you do not need a great VRM for decent OCs on the 3570K but I wouldn't go 4+1 on a 8350 that is for sure... Sure someone else out there has done it with no issue but that's just my opinion... I usually steer my customers towards Intel processors and AMD Video cards (this year) but who knows what it would be next year.
Thanks. They'd bought it from someone else but never actually used it. No returns so i didn't risk it...

What about something like a Asus M5A99X? I'm not sure what i'll do in 6 months, i just want a board with plenty of expansion slots, good oc scope and quality comps now. Good reviews, slightly older Asus board, not upgrading the cpu for a bit.

Wasn't aware of IDE to USB adapters but i thought of running it externally, i use it mainly for backup and recovery.

2 PCI slots would be good that aren't covered by the gpu! My Asus matx has two but one is covered. I could actually build a server out of old parts come to think of it.

Don't know microcenter but i'm in the UK. I'll be ordering parts online anyway. Cheers!
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Your originalpost said you needed more slots and was happy with the 560BE performance. I would just replace the mobo in that scenario. If you also wanted to buy another CPU then I would then consider Intel and look pretty hard at HAswell CPU and Z87 series mobos being released very shortly.
Yeah that's what i'll do, budget is tight anyway! It takes long enough just choosing a motherboard and i haven't even looked at Intel yet! Cheers.thumb.gif
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