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What would be harder to achieve 120 frames vs 1400p ? Not overall visual quality but the actual hardware demand .


Take this into consideration. OCN Source
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video card solutions that are recommended for 60Hz 2560x1600, will not perform as well at 1920x1080 @120hz due to the amount of information that needs to be processed. In other words, it's more taxing on a GPU to display 1920x1080 @120hz than 2560x1600 at 60hz. You will need one heck of a powerful GPU solution to see all the benefits of 1920x1080 @120hz.

Now we have one more caveat to the mix - Higher refresh rate of 120 Hz with 2560x1440 resolution, which would be more taxing on hardware than on 1920x1080 @ 120 Hz.

Keeping 120 FPS locked @ 120 Hz is very difficult for any resolution and takes one heck of a GPU combo with CPU that doesn't bottleneck the GPU's.


Let's look at these graphs both on 60 Hz monitors 1080 vs 1600 just for example comparison.

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
1920x1080




2560x1600




Notice the GTX 690 @ 1080p getting 59.7 FPS which is hardly optimal gaming if your at 120 Hz refresh rate.

Same scenario 2560x1600 gets 41.3 FPS which is much more optimal for gaming, UNLESS you higher your refresh rate to 120 Hz where demands increase even more and your worse off now then if your were on a 1080p @ 120 Hz.

Hardware demands from least to greatest.

1920x1080 60 Hz < 2560x1440 60 Hz < 1920x1080 120 Hz < 2560x1440 120 Hz
     
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Okay so it looks like I will buy the ASUS 1400p monitor . Or maybe the dell ultra sharp ? What monitor is smoother when playing FPS ?
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Okay so it looks like I will buy the ASUS 1400p monitor . Or maybe the dell ultra sharp ? What monitor is smoother when playing FPS ?

They're both actually good monitors. Gaming they are within 0.01 ms of each other in lag.
     
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They're both actually good monitors. Gaming they are within 0.01 ms of each other in lag.

Looking at the ASUS 5ms response time and Ultra sharp 8ms . I don't use Photohop the monitor will only be used for gaming or music software .
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Looking at the ASUS 5ms response time and Ultra sharp 8ms . I don't use Photohop the monitor will only be used for gaming or music software .

I did my homework with input lag when I was interested. Proof with links. smile.gif

U2713HM = 22.6
PB278Q = 22.5
S27A850D = 19.3
VP2770 = 18.6 - Standard

PRAD has the most accurate measurements your adding the monitors response time to input lag to find true latency.

PB278Q - Review


U2713HM - Review


Do not base your purchase off response time alone.
     
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The u2713HM is very good for gaming IMO; It looks amazing and has no issues for me with FPS games. The input lag is not anything I can notice, but the amazing colors are.
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The u2713HM is very good for gaming IMO; It looks amazing and has no issues for me with FPS games. The input lag is not anything I can notice, but the amazing colors are.

looking at some reviews and one said the following


Cons:
- Backlight bleeding in all four corners with the lower left corner being the most prominent. Very noticeable on dark backgrounds. (The ASUS has no noticeable light bleed.)
- Backlight bleeding on the left corners and edges have a yellowish hue. Causes images to look washed out and yellow.
- Buzzing noise when viewing lots of text (excel spreadsheets and Wikipedia webpage). I had to put my ear by the monitor to notice it. My laptop fan is much louder than the buzzing noise.
- * Crosshatching on white background. I only noticed this on one of the replacement screens I received from Dell and I had to really look for it by moving closer to the monitor.
- Input lag and response time is slightly worse compared to the ASUS. This shouldn't matter if you're not a hardcore, competition gamer.
- Does not come with a DisplayPort cable. (ASUS includes all cables.)


Then one below him said


On the first night of use there was a little image retention, but that went away by the second day. On the second day of using though, I decided to watch a movie and that's where I could see horrible backlight bleed. Lower left corner is yellow, and lower right corner is white. Top right corner was okay, but the upper left was also yellowed out.

Production date was Feb 2013. I'm returning it to Amazon and hoping they will send me one from a newer batch. Not what you'd expect from an UltraSharp premium monitor for $800 MSRP.

One star rating due to the bad backlight issues. Uniform color is necessary for me.
Edited by defected - 5/30/13 at 7:48am
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Okay so it looks like I will buy the ASUS 1400p monitor . Or maybe the dell ultra sharp ? What monitor is smoother when playing FPS ?

I play BF3 at 2560 X 1440p @ 60 fps (fxaa) on my PB278Q and it plays like butter (super smooth) on my MSI GTX670 PE OC. The likely deciding factors between the U2713HM and the PB278Q will be whether you like the screen coating treatment on the Dell and whether you are sensitive to the PWM on the PB278Q.
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looking at some reviews and one said the following


Cons:
- Backlight bleeding in all four corners with the lower left corner being the most prominent. Very noticeable on dark backgrounds. (The ASUS has no noticeable light bleed.)
- Backlight bleeding on the left corners and edges have a yellowish hue. Causes images to look washed out and yellow.
- Buzzing noise when viewing lots of text (excel spreadsheets and Wikipedia webpage). I had to put my ear by the monitor to notice it. My laptop fan is much louder than the buzzing noise.
- * Crosshatching on white background. I only noticed this on one of the replacement screens I received from Dell and I had to really look for it by moving closer to the monitor.
- Input lag and response time is slightly worse compared to the ASUS. This shouldn't matter if you're not a hardcore, competition gamer.
- Does not come with a DisplayPort cable. (ASUS includes all cables.)
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Those users were correct to some degree - however want to clear up somethings.

1. All IPS monitors exhibit IPS glow. My PB278Q wasn't any better than current U2713HM with bleed most important is neither show in black borders.

2. A01 revision has addressed the yellow back light bleed issues now a white IPS glow. Still a chance you need to replace. Again just like any other IPS monitor.

3. The buzzing noise was an issue on 'some' of the older A00 version monitors. No longer an issue while looking at Excel sheets with new revision A01.

4.Cross-hatching is one issue the monitor may have that's unique to it. It's a possible panel defect and you can exchange monitors until you get on without any IF that should be the case.

5. Input lag is 0.01ms difference. Negligible and not noticeable. I owned both and had the chance to compare both. Proved four posts up with links for proof.

6.. True. The only cable U2713HM doesn't provide is the Display port cable.

The U2713HM is a slightly better monitor than PB278Q all around. Comes with two 2.0 USB ports on side and two 3.0 USB ports underneath. Individually Pre-factory calibrated for each monitor and more accurate color and deep contrast. A lot of times priced lower with sales than the PB278Q ever saw yet. Mine and many times over go for $585 usd. It's actually on sale today for $585 on Newegg.

Edit - sorry for going off topic a bit to clear up what was said.
     
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I just want to mention that a high refresh rate is only more demanding if you trying to maintain 120fps all the time. It is perfectly acceptable to dip below it. My monitor hits 96hz at 1440p. While a single 7950 can't maintain that many frames in newer games you can still notice the difference between 60 or 80 fps with the monitor at 96hz.
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