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Originally Posted by ledzepp3 View Post

There are legitimate tests, videos, graphs ect. ect. that prove that a 7950 not only outperforms the 670, but it also provides a much more compelling value. I will recommend a 7950, 7870 Tahiti LE, or a 7970 over any nVidia card any day unless you need the Cuda cores, to me they just don't provide the same value AMD cards do. But frame rates? You're gonna have to elaborate into that a little more, frame rates vary from rig to rig, game to game.

It outperforms it on benchmarks but it doesnt have as good of a frame time as the 670. I dont need to argue with you on someone else's thread but yes the 7950 outperforms the 670 by FPS/bench and is a GREAT value (no doubt)... but still the NVidia cards have better frame times... AMD is coming out with a driver fix some time soon; they know they dont have as good frame time as NVidia; and admitted it. Use the search bar and read some more...7950 is a GREAT card, but the NVidia for certain/most games have better frame times than how AMD cards perform. Im just defending OP for being set on NVidia, never said the 7950 was a bad card, or that is was at a bad price.... but it completely isnt a "better" card than the 670.

If you were to compare a 3770k at 4.5ghz and a 670 + a 3770k at 4.5ghz and a 7950.... the 7950 will have worse frame time than a 670. I know it depends on the rig/game but for the most part NVidia wins the game on frame time (if you are sensitive to that)
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By frame time, do you mean the FPS the card can achieve?
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post #13 of 14
If that is what you meant, the 7950 will outperform it on certain games, just like how the 670 will out perform the 7950 on certain games. Each system will respond to the card differently, each chip isn't exactly the same (both GPU and CPU wise), so having one test to try and "cover" everything simply doesn't work. There are far too many variables to take into consideration.
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post #14 of 14
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Originally Posted by ledzepp3 View Post

By frame time, do you mean the FPS the card can achieve?

FPS and frame time are COMPLETELY different. If you are judging the smoothness of a game by fps you are doing it wrong. Do some more research and you will find out why AMD is releasing drivers to fix their frame time problems to compete with NVidia.

You should be judging it by comparing frame times on certain games. AMD cards have been known to spike and drop in frames a lot more than NVidia cards... PLENTY of data out there.... do your research! Yes the AMD card will perform better fps wise.

For example: an AMD card will be putting out (in fps) 60,61,65,102,42,60,59,61,89 92 46 60 61... while an NVIDIA card will be at 60,61,60,59,60,61,62,59, 60,61. The difference in rates will affect the smoothness of a game regardless. These drops/peaks are happening in milliseconds and can cause "slight stuttering"; some people are sensitive to this; some arent. Those who are sensitive go NVidia side. Those who arent, are less picky.

OP seems to be set on an NVidia card, nothing wrong with that. An NVidia card suits him better for his "needs". thumb.gif
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