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Poll Results: IS THE XBOX ONE A DATA MINER

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  • 41% of voters (22)
    Yes data miner
  • 28% of voters (15)
    No non data miner
  • 39% of voters (21)
    Yes data miner and microsoft is part of big brother conspiracy
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I am getting an X1 regardless. They have a power cord for a reason.
 
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this must be the small population of people getting the one. And the way you guys act about being data mined like you really dont care is amusing because we all know you really do like you gave up in the world today because u feel there is no reason to even try because its 2013 and there is no privacy only in your head like one Philwrir said please enlighten me with your oh so great prophecy mr phil

its almost like big brother tricked you guys got em again

Ill make an educated guess based on your lack of punctuation that you have a facebook.
i.e. the best data mining idea in years.

Bank account?
Ever used google?
Cell Phone?
How about been on the internet?
Welcome to more data mining.

Its 2013. I use https everywhere, Ghostery, etc, because I believe in taking reasonable precautions.
And I will not be purchasing a One for many reasons, one if which is the overly intrusive approach MS is taking.

But acting like its a total outrage when even Steam/Valve probably knows about as much about you as your friends do is ridiculous.
I didnt give up on the world, I gave up on fighting the 21st century and decided to instead do my best to regulate what is public and private.

and this.. really unless you are conducting illegal activities, why worry. really. as long as you keep YOUR stuff intelligently secure you will be fine.
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I am getting an X1 regardless. They have a power cord for a reason.

Methinks an unplugged One is about as useful as not having one at all. tongue.gif
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Then you put le plug back into le wall.
 
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Then you put le plug back into le wall.

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I'm sorry but you have to believe you are a very important person for anyone to collect information about "you" specifically. Trust me no one is looking at you. The information collected by any one for any thing is about all of us. Microsoft could not possibly care less about what you want and or do. They want to know what all of us want and or do.

Do you have an address, name, social security number, phone, credit card, bank account, ever had a loan, go to the doctor, go to a pharmacy, rented anything ever... the list could go on and on. Point being that things about you already exist but no one cares about you in particular. Information about any single one person is largely useless.

For the record when I refer to you in this post, I am referring to whomever is reading not any particular person. Also as someone who has training in intelligence and data mining for security purposes (I have been called big brother for my work and experience rolleyes.gif) there are far easier ways to get information on someone than watching what people do in front of their TVs.
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Then you put le plug back into le wall.




Anyways, on topic. As far as the X1 goes, there will be data mining, but they already do that on the W7/w8 phones, Android phones, iphones, your computer, facebook, etc. So, why should I care?
 
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I'm sorry but you have to believe you are a very important person for anyone to collect information about "you" specifically. Trust me no one is looking at you. The information collected by any one for any thing is about all of us. Microsoft could not possibly care less about what you want and or do. They want to know what all of us want and or do.

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For the record when I refer to you in this post, I am referring to whomever is reading not any particular person. Also as someone who has training in intelligence and data mining for security purposes (I have been called big brother for my work and experience rolleyes.gif) there are far easier ways to get information on someone than watching what people do in front of their TVs.

Pretty much.
Individual info is largley useless.
But info about trends in large masses of people means BIG $$ for whoever has it.

Assuming they can cash in on it right.
Which is something im not ENTIRLEY sure I think MS can really pull off right.
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Pretty much.
Individual info is largley useless.
But info about trends in large masses of people means BIG $$ for whoever has it.

Assuming they can cash in on it right.
Which is something im not ENTIRLEY sure I think MS can really pull off right.

Here is the thing though that type of information is largely dynamic. It is next to impossible to predict those trends as there are too many variables. In regards to this specific device it is largely impossible to gather anything useful. Data mining that large of a dataset is next to impossible even with supercomputers. That type of information would only answer specific questions.

This type of dataset would only provide answers to questions. You would not be able to learn anything from it by just examining it. You can form a specific question and ask for the answer though. For example I would not be able to look at the data and learn what type of soup everyone likes having in front of their xbox. I would have ask a series of questions to get that answer. First who eats in front of their TV, then of that group who eats soup, then from that group who eats campbells.

Unstructured data is difficult to learn anything from without already having an idea of what you want to learn about.

Edit: Apparently I stopped typing midsentence and never finished it. Also I am a Ph.D student who can not spell very well either.
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Here is the thing though that type of information is largely dynamic. It is next to impossible to predict those trends as it. In regards to this specific device it is largely impossible to gather anything useful. Data mining that large of a dataset is next to impossible even with supercomputers. That type of information would only answer specific questions.

This type of dataset would only provide answers to questions. You would not be able to learn anything from it by just examining it. You can form a specific question and ask for the answer though. For example I would not be able to look at the data and learn what type of soup everyone likes having in front of their xbox. I would have ask a series of questions to get that answer. First who eats in front of their TV, then of that group who eats soup, then from that group who eats campbells.

Unstructured data is difficult to learn anything from without already having an idea of what you want to learn about.

As an uneducated fool I would assume that unstructured data allows for the generation of specific questions...or makes them easier to create/decide on?

EDIT: Or is it much less of a chicken vs egg thing than im thinking?

EDIT to EDIT:
Nevermind. In a sea of undirected data like this would generate, BRING IN THE SUPERCOMPUTERS to make any sense of it.

Though that raises some interesting points
1. What Questions does MS want the answer to?
2. Who will they be asking questions for other than themselves(if anyone)?
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250GB Crucial MX200, 960GB Adata , 1TB WD Black Noctua NH-L12 LG 27UD68 4k Seasonic M12II 620W 
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Corsair Obsidian 250D Logitech Performance Mouse MX Topping TP-30 Mk2, 2x Polk M10, Sony MDR-7506 
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