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Poll Results: IS THE XBOX ONE A DATA MINER

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  • 41% of voters (22)
    Yes data miner
  • 28% of voters (15)
    No non data miner
  • 39% of voters (21)
    Yes data miner and microsoft is part of big brother conspiracy
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Originally Posted by PhilWrir View Post

As an uneducated fool I would assume that unstructured data allows for the generation of specific questions...or makes them easier to create/decide on?

EDIT: Or is it much less of a chicken vs egg thing than im thinking?

No you are right on the money. It is difficult to explain which it is not easily to learn directly from. In my example by asking what brand of soup I actually only learn who eats cambells. I have to ignore all the other brands simply because I can't ask for all the brands at the same time I am asking what percentage of each there is. Why? Just think about all the different brands of soup that could eaten in front of the xbox. It could be done but it would take a very long time.

Hopefully that makes a bit of sense. I know it sounds counter-intuitive but that is the nature of the beast when it comes to "big-data".
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Gather all my data, I don't care. The only thing I have to hide are nudies of my girlfriend and past girlfriends, and I'll never know if they're seen anyways. Doesn't bother me at all. So long as I don't see any direct impacts, I could not care less if someone was peeking in on my activities.

Anyone who says otherwise wears a tinfoil hat or is guilty of something.
    
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Its a question of resources and time vs value of knowledge.

You basically need a supercomputer to crunch through the raw data to begin with, so forming anything other than a very specific set of questions with a set goal increases the resources needed to get the answer(which will be more rough and have more junk data), and therfore the time it takes to get it and process it.

Yep it is like being put into the library of congress and told to learn something no ones else knows. It simply would be a massive undertaking that isn't worth even trying to do. Where would you even start? Even then if you picked a random spot to start you have immediately changed what you might be able to learn given nearly unlimited time and resources.
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Take yer meds.
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Anyone who says otherwise wears a tinfoil hat or is guilty of something.

Tin foil hat for me please biggrin.gif
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Let me pose a hypothetical use for the 3x (cloud) equivalent xbox-ONE consoles that exist through the power of the internet and cloud connection- which has just been stated that it will be part of service for every xbox-ONE sold. (they stated that in the cloud 3x processing power and STORAGE is included with every purchase) this is used as a selling point !?!?

Data recording, depending on allocated storage space and well.. it wont take much processing power at all to store that data.. microsoft could essentially charge you for a data mining device you place in your house, then charge you monthly for a service that essentially has the power and capabilities to secretly record all viable stream sources IE: Sound, Video and Input (controller or keyboard) for months or years at a time.

Lets say that you only install 6-7 games into the cloud, that leaves say 75% of your online data storage empty but still allocated to your console, then microsoft uses that free space to store the collected data streams from your console (for data mining purposes) potentially allowing them to store YEARS worth of recorded inputs from audio and video that could be archived and brought up at any time the system feels they need to intestate you for anything they might feel needs investigating.

welcome to the capabilities of the current technology and the internet. I am not saying that they are going to do this, but you couldn't prove they aren't going to be doing this.

What would you need to achieve this?
1. Always connected internet or intermittent internet connection that could not exceed storage capabilities of the hardware while not connected.
2. Cloud Storage
3. Cloud processing power for data mining (going though the archived data)
4. A way to fund (monthly) the data centers and cloud computing.
5. Hardware In peoples houses capable of audio and video recording
6. Hardware capable of always on internet connection
7. Internet connection in peoples homes
8. An incentive for people to buy and pay for this hardware and services required to run it on
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You also forgot #9. Inclusion of the existence of this data mining in the TOS to prevent the management from going to jail because of a whistleblower.

I really don't know if microsoft will implement personal spying of this magnitude, but I am exploring the possibility that it could very well achieve this goal.
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Video alone from xbox users would take the computing power of Microsoft, Google, and DoD put together to attempt getting information. It simply is not worth the effort. Video recognition is incredibly difficult (humans are probably the easiest thing identify because we are pretty generic and we move unlike other things). They want information about people they will get it from credit card companies and website traffic. Think of it this way. It will cost them more to store, transport, and analyze that data then they could ever possibly make from it.

I'll use video as an example here. The way you look at an image is very different from a computer. We can use contextual clues for us to identify an object in an image. To be sure they won't have someone staring at a video feed so it will be a computer do automated analysis.

Teaching a computer what an object is in one image is not that hard, but at the end of the day you have only managed to teach that computer as it pertains to that object in that image. It will not find that same object easily in any other image. Sure pattern recognition is possible given certain conditions but that requires very specific image characteristics that can not be achieved with this thing.

Add to that if they managed to identify a person in a video feed the next step would be to figure out what are we doing. Ever tried teaching a computer to learn what movements mean. While I think it is possible we can't do it now as we are still working on algorithms to even find objects in images.

You could have a camera follow you all day long and then give that raw data to a computer and it won't have a clue as to what you are doing. You would have to teach it for each individual person, place, and time. Too many variables to work out as we are all quite different. I almost want to say let them watch because they won't get anything from me that couldn't be found elsewhere much more easily.
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Let me pose a hypothetical use for the 3x (cloud) equivalent xbox-ONE consoles that exist through the power of the internet and cloud connection- which has just been stated that it will be part of service for every xbox-ONE sold. (they stated that in the cloud 3x processing power and STORAGE is included with every purchase) this is used as a selling point !?!?

Data recording, depending on allocated storage space and well.. it wont take much processing power at all to store that data.. microsoft could essentially charge you for a data mining device you place in your house, then charge you monthly for a service that essentially has the power and capabilities to secretly record all viable stream sources IE: Sound, Video and Input (controller or keyboard) for months or years at a time.

Lets say that you only install 6-7 games into the cloud, that leaves say 75% of your online data storage empty but still allocated to your console, then microsoft uses that free space to store the collected data streams from your console (for data mining purposes) potentially allowing them to store YEARS worth of recorded inputs from audio and video that could be archived and brought up at any time the system feels they need to intestate you for anything they might feel needs investigating.

welcome to the capabilities of the current technology and the internet. I am not saying that they are going to do this, but you couldn't prove they aren't going to be doing this.

What would you need to achieve this?
1. Always connected internet or intermittent internet connection that could not exceed storage capabilities of the hardware while not connected.
2. Cloud Storage
3. Cloud processing power for data mining (going though the archived data)
4. A way to fund (monthly) the data centers and cloud computing.
5. Hardware In peoples houses capable of audio and video recording
6. Hardware capable of always on internet connection
7. Internet connection in peoples homes
8. An incentive for people to buy and pay for this hardware and services required to run it on

I really don't know if microsoft will implement personal spying of this magnitude, but I am exploring the possibility that it could very well achieve this goal.

You also forgot #9. Inclusion of the existence of this data mining in the TOS to prevent the management from going to jail because of a whistleblower.

Basically, if it happens, they're going to have to tell us about it.

The current 12-7-12 voting makes me long for the days when OCN was actually rational.
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I will also be in line on black friday to snatch one, then I will list it on ebay and use the funds to buy a new GPU, monitor and use the leftover funds for a PS4.
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Ill make an educated guess based on your lack of punctuation that you have a facebook.
i.e. the best data mining idea in years.

Bank account?
Ever used google?
Cell Phone?
How about been on the internet?
Welcome to more data mining.

Its 2013. I use https everywhere, Ghostery, etc, because I believe in taking reasonable precautions.
And I will not be purchasing a One for many reasons, one if which is the overly intrusive approach MS is taking.

But acting like its a total outrage when even Steam/Valve probably knows about as much about you as your friends do is ridiculous.
I didnt give up on the world, I gave up on fighting the 21st century and decided to instead do my best to regulate what is public and private.

Hi phil all knowing. I use proxies and ghostery with peerblock,and yes i do have a facebook with no names, no pictures, and very little information. Its not so much about worrying or being paranoid, its more about a moral ground and believing in certain values. To me its just not right and i dont support things i dont believe in or believe are right. I just stand up for what i believe in and hope the world becomes a better place
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