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Poll Results: IS THE XBOX ONE A DATA MINER

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 41% of voters (22)
    Yes data miner
  • 28% of voters (15)
    No non data miner
  • 39% of voters (21)
    Yes data miner and microsoft is part of big brother conspiracy
53 Total Votes  
post #31 of 50
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L@@K!

Please don't do that, people will read your post if they want to.

And if M$ is really Big Brother, I don't mind that much if there is someone who cares enough about me to watch me play xbox naked.

I put read because i made a poll but also a article. And i felt this is something important and whats going on in the world today

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post #32 of 50
The fact of the matter is, no matter how private and secure you are online, information about you is getting passed around. There's no way around it.

With that said, there aren't people sitting in large buildings spying on your every move. Big companies like Google would have to hire millions, if not billions of people just to spy on every single person that uses their services. Your information gets put into databases and does not get accessed until it needs to be. It's the world we live in today and you just have to deal with it.
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Originally Posted by GameShine View Post

Hi phil all knowing. I use proxies and ghostery with peerblock,and yes i do have a facebook with no names, no pictures, and very little information. Its not so much about worrying or being paranoid, its more about a moral ground and believing in certain values. To me its just not right and i dont support things i dont believe in or believe are right. I just stand up for what i believe in and hope the world becomes a better place

Voicing your opinion and hoping the world becomes a better place won't do any good on a forum.
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post #34 of 50
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Voicing your opinion and hoping the world becomes a better place won't do any good on a forum.

Everyone here is voicing there opinion maybe that will make a difference?
post #35 of 50

Skip to 26:56 because they bring up very good points on the Xbox One.
If anyone remembers this guy, he used to do videos for TigerDirect.
post #36 of 50
Everything is data mining it's no conspiracy.
post #37 of 50
It seems many of you are giving Microsoft credit for things that are barely possible to do in the first place. I'm sorry to tell you that listening or watching people through a glorified web camera won't amount to much. Just think logically about it. What do you do in front of the TV that could only be learned through watching or listening to you. Ok now think about it a little more. How many people are doing things in front of a TV around the world at any given time.

It would be next to impossible to "monitor" that many people all at once. Profiling even a single person takes a very long time. Computers are not smart enough to do this automatically. My research for the past 8 years has dealt with machine learning in regards to imaging. The limits at the moment with this type of thing are no where near sophisticated enough to pull off. I spent months teaching a PC to identify buildings from aerial photography. Guess what it worked until I gave it a different image set then those rules no longer worked. That was a still image and this would be video.

Cutting edge segmentation algorithms for pattern recognition and object identification rely on homogenous data. In other worlds you can teach a computer to identify objects that are always the same shape and color with a specific background. You change any one of those three and it no longer works, and you have to teach it a whole new set of rules.

Things you see on TV shows like CSI and etc are not real. It isn't possible. Another nail in the coffin about this whole watching you and charging more for movies doesn't really make sense either (even though it is somewhat possible). Why? Umm...have you taken a look at the streaming services in Windows 8. It is actually the same platform service and they are not making you attach a web cam to your HTPC so they can charge more. Microsoft knows good and well that if they try to charge more by doing a simple body count that people simply won't use it. I mean if you have an xbox you have a internet connection and most likely a PC so why wouldn't you use that instead.

I get that some people feel like it is an invasion of privacy. I myself would find it disturbing if some claims posted here were possible. Just food for thought here though. Did you know it is entirely legal for a photographer to stand within 10 feet of a road and take pictures of your house through windows. Now you are also protected by Title III or wiretapping act that covers all audio and video data collection. It requires a super-warrant to even get that information (txt and emails are not covered under this though).

I understand the privacy issues but please don't believe what people are saying they "could" do. The legitimate reasons such as always online, and required kinect are very good reasons to not want one. I'm not likely to buy one for those reasons alone. Just pause and think logically about it for a moment.
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post #38 of 50
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Video alone from xbox users would take the computing power of Microsoft, Google, and DoD put together to attempt getting information. It simply is not worth the effort. Video recognition is incredibly difficult (humans are probably the easiest thing identify because we are pretty generic and we move unlike other things). They want information about people they will get it from credit card companies and website traffic. Think of it this way. It will cost them more to store, transport, and analyze that data then they could ever possibly make from it.

I'll use video as an example here. The way you look at an image is very different from a computer. We can use contextual clues for us to identify an object in an image. To be sure they won't have someone staring at a video feed so it will be a computer do automated analysis.

Teaching a computer what an object is in one image is not that hard, but at the end of the day you have only managed to teach that computer as it pertains to that object in that image. It will not find that same object easily in any other image. Sure pattern recognition is possible given certain conditions but that requires very specific image characteristics that can not be achieved with this thing.

Add to that if they managed to identify a person in a video feed the next step would be to figure out what are we doing. Ever tried teaching a computer to learn what movements mean. While I think it is possible we can't do it now as we are still working on algorithms to even find objects in images.

You could have a camera follow you all day long and then give that raw data to a computer and it won't have a clue as to what you are doing. You would have to teach it for each individual person, place, and time. Too many variables to work out as we are all quite different. I almost want to say let them watch because they won't get anything from me that couldn't be found elsewhere much more easily.

I totally agree they will not be mining video for much, but mining audio- which can easily be converted to text.. well have you ever used alt+f on a web page? and then having a person check the video from the txt logged audio + time stamp for the video.. see it is easy to mine video wink.gif

mining the video requires little to no computing power at all, just compile software to pick key words and phrases or even conversations from audio or txt transcript and then scan it with another piece of software that can detect lies / aggravation / pitch of voice = mood state and BAM. false hits can easily be weeded out by a team of people reviewing hits.

that's what I would do.
Edited by Killam0n - 5/29/13 at 12:05pm
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You also forgot #9. Inclusion of the existence of this data mining in the TOS to prevent the management from going to jail because of a whistleblower.

Basically, if it happens, they're going to have to tell us about it.

The current 12-7-12 voting makes me long for the days when OCN was actually rational.

I wonder though.. When you consider the players in this game, do you think they do not control /run /own and operate the media? MS-nbc?
The government considers the media a tool and a weapon. I know this because I know people in the military that have literally refereed to the media as a military weapon.
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Anything with internet access (and the ability to use it to search for things) is a data miner.
    
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