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I hope so chief,iam in no way happy intel setting prices believe me lol!...........Isnt it the Amd jaguar they are using for ps3? or was that for the xbox>? That is HUGE contract I agree completely! And I do hope games start using more cores maybe amd needs a higher end cpu to go neck and neck with intels best>? The 8350 is a winner in my book

AMD should be more than happy right now, back when the phenoms were the fastest it was another story. Once the FX came out the gap got smaller. Again Win/Win for us biggrin.gif

Steamroller is around the corner, hope it's a beast.

Plus

EDIT: $800 5GHZ Vishera? I hope that is false, LoL

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Vishera-Piledriver-Steamroller-socket-AM3-Centurion,22015.html
Edited by Maiky - 5/28/13 at 10:23pm
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MIS.INFORMATION. LOTS. OF IT..
Oh really?
I guess you've never run CFX then or you would know how CFX support is usually well behind the game release, if at all. And then there's the stutter bug..


Some light reading for you; wink.gif

AMD Comments on GPU Stuttering, Offers Driver Roadmap & Perspective on Benchmarking



From TPU:
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AMD Radeon HD 7990 6 GB

Extremely fast in games that scale
Fantastic game bundle included
Backplate included
Good additional OC potential
Four DisplayPort outputs, up to five monitors total
Reasonable fan noise, given its performance class
Supports voltage control
Can do CrossFire with any other Tahiti-based card
Dual-BIOS feature



High price
Annoying coil noise
Requires CrossFire game support to reach proper performance
Many games do not scale properly in CrossFire
Very high multi-monitor and Blu-ray power consumption
Slim performance gains from overclocking
Long card




Btw 2x7990 is quadfire - how many games can you think of where quadfire scales well?
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Ive been thinking about doing this for a while now- I haven't had the money to upgrade but something GREAT just happened I got a decent paying job ( yay for me lol ) anyway what do u guys recommend I buy? .... I really like the new Radeon 7990 if I were to grab 2 of those bad boys along with a better cpu and motherboard do u think ill be ok for about 2-3 years ( not have to worry about upgrading) .... I will keep my word and set-up a freebie and give away 2 refrence design Radeon 6970s to 1 lucky winner,If you are wondering why iam doing this DONT lol because I don't even know why,I just feel a need to give when I have extra iam that kind of person!.........Lets get some opinions what combo should I be looking at? ...i7 3770 k with a high-end motherboard and 2 radeon 7990s? What about 2 Nvidia 690s? I like both I wont lie,my heart is with radeons that's all ive used,but I know Nvidia is right there next to them so

What resolution do you plan on using? I don't know if I would suggest using more than 2 cards or a single dual card. They stop scaling as well after two. I would consider a single 7990 for 1080p, maybe SLI 780s for 1440/1600, and SLI Titans for surround (given that money doesn't seem to be too much of a concern for you at the moment.)

You certainly don't need xfire 7990s for 1080p. tongue.gif Honestly, I would just get as much power as you want now and save the money for later tech rather than go overkill now trying to future proof several years ahead on current tech.
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It may depend on the system. You cannot say this is generally like this.
Me for instance, had no problem with SLI at all


I arent generalising. Im stating my own experience over a long time with a lot of different rigs. A previous poster claiming AMD drivers are no good and dont scale well was though. People from both camps seem to trot out those arguments like their camp has absoloutely no flaws. My point was neither was consistently perfect across the board and over time. I personally have only have had a few issues with each, certainly not enough of an issue to turn me off either. My point is some games seem to favour Nvidia and some seem to favour AMD. Some dont seem to scale with either. I like both and I may do my next multigpu setup using nvidia GPUs and also switch back to Intel for that matter.
Edited by dihartnell - 5/29/13 at 12:04am
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i7-3770K is by far the best gaming cpu, it even beats i7-3970X on most gaming benchmarks. For now, I'd stay away from AMD. I know how you're very tempted with the 8 cores especially with the Jaguar on the next-gen consoles. The 8 cores in Jaguar might be used for multi-threaded applications in the consoles instead of gaming, you'll never know. As far as I know, there are few games that utilize more than well, 2 or 4 cores today. Most games only utilize 2 cores. Games that utilize more than 4 cores such as Crysis 3 run well in FX-8350 (8 cores) but i7-3770K still performs better than FX-8350. Why? Because i7-3770K has better execution of each core compared to FX-8350. In fact, i7-3770K has 8 threads.

Look at this:

The task manager shows 8 threads for the i7-3770K


Meanwhile, the task manager also shows 8 cores for the FX-8350


It shows you how 8 threads is "equivalent" to 8 cores of FX-8350. Go get the i7-3770K, its far more better than FX-8350, period.
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def gonna need a strong cpu to handle such GPU power if you get them. checkout the guys benching around OCN, usually i high clocked i7 will help squeeze oout those extra fps,
so i would (if you can afford it), go a high end i7 eg 3930K. now i am an nvidia man myself but dual 7990s underwater would be fine for more than 3 yrs im willing to bet. if it were me personally id go dual 780's or titans, titans prob to much, sounds like your basically bbuilding a whole new rig, for ideas check out>>>
http://www.overclock.net/t/1347005/win-your-ultimate-rig-12-rigs-total
some peoples ultimate rigs for $2500 should give you some good ideas
btw congrats on nice new job smile.gif enjoy thumb.gif
and BTW 8350 doesnt have 8 full blown cores dont be fooled they share FPU's etc not amd bashing just stating facts.
to save some dough 3770K will def handle some high end gpu power.
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Lets see iam gonna set a resonable yet high goal 4 myself dont pay attention if i over do things thats usually my style lol but here goes....completly watercooled no fans unless i have to use em, ive seen some newer systems and ill do my best to describe what it is iam looking for. Better yet ill jusy post a picture maybe u guys can tell me what these new wc parts are called beacuse they look awsome!...i.dont plan to take it to lan partys iam not into that sort of thing so no worries if its outside wc or inside,budget wise lets set a resonable goal like this....$5000 thousand spread over 4/5 months tineframe what can we do with this?

Omg format yo text pls tongue.gif

I still do not see any dialogue in this thread.. Most of the people live out their dreams without interacting IMHO :/
The thing is, if you got that much cash.. you don´t have to burn it all i´d say. for 3000$ yo could get a really neat rig
But of course its your choice.

Have a look here
http://www.overclock.net/t/1360884/official-top-30-unigine-valley-benchmark-1-0-fill-the-form

Even a 3770k would be sufficient for let´s say 2 Titans. But to be on the safe side i´d wait a little bit
and get even a better CPU.. I´d recommend to get 2 Titans.. the 6gb vram are really nice and will make the rig
futureproof. Also you can mod any game without having fear of filling the Vram. 3GB vram are killed nowadays
really fast.

The jump to Haswell won´t be that large, it is more for the e-peen factor. the biggest limitation when building
a rig is still the GPU what is straight bound to the budget.

I´d go with a gigabyte or asus board.. i´m no fanboy of asus and i think gigabyte may provide better customer
support.

You may get one titan first..also cpu, ram board, tower, psu, gpu ( and eventually a 1440p 27 monitor if you like the idea
and do not wish to have borders )
Or split it in 3 Rounds.. in the second round you may get your second titan and watercooling and in the third
round the monitor or a beamer / projector.. depends on your desires.

2 titans would be 2k $ .. lets say 1.0 - 2k $ for the rest.. but i will not make any detailed plans because i do
not know if you would agree with the logic behind my writing and also the monitor idea.
Of course if you like 3 monitors instead of one then it will be cheaper then getting additionally one 1440p


So what do you think / need ?!

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I arent generalising. Im stating my own experience over a long time with a lot of different rigs. A previous poster claiming AMD drivers are no good and dont scale well was though. People from both camps seem to trot out those arguments like their camp has absoloutely no flaws. My point was neither was consistently perfect across the board and over time. I personally have only have had a few issues with each, certainly not enough of an issue to turn me off either. My point is some games seem to favour Nvidia and some seem to favour AMD. Some dont seem to scale with either. I like both and I may do my next multigpu setup using nvidia GPUs and also switch back to Intel for that matter.

yep.. i can also imagine that two identical systems may provide different experiences due diffirerent binnings, chipquality and materials on cpu/board/gpu
always a small lottery frown.gif

there was also a rumor that an amd cpu paired with two amd gpu´s or more
may cause more microstutter than intel cpu + 2 gpu´s.. heard anything more concrete about this?!
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yep.. i can also imagine that two identical systems may provide different experiences due diffirerent binnings, chipquality and materials on cpu/board/gpu
always a small lottery frown.gif

there was also a rumor that an amd cpu paired with two amd gpu´s or more
may cause more microstutter than intel cpu + 2 gpu´s.. heard anything more concrete about this?!

Yep other things can come into play when talking about general performance however if you use the same system and change gpu to he other brand and you get different scaling results then Game favouring one or the other or driver performance is more likely at play IMHO.

In terms of Crossfire better with intel I think Linus Sebastian did some testing on that scenario.
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Yep other things can come into play when talking about general performance however if you use the same system and change gpu to he other brand and you get different scaling results then Game favouring one or the other or driver performance is more likely at play IMHO.

In terms of Crossfire better with intel I think Linus Sebastian did some testing on that scenario.

I did not want to put you under "generalising - suspicious - dude- category" as it may
sounded ^^

Yea, you gotta check many benchmarks to get the right picture of a hardware, due more complex graphic engines
using different aspects of your hardware.. 10 years ago it was not like it is today.

But generally said, it is no problem to find out a good combination and to get a picture of what you buy, before you
buy it. It just takes really much time browsing the web and comparing :/

The only thing cranking me up is, that i did not find a way to get a good scaling with ENB Injector dll´s with Nvidia.
I should sarch again the web. Its a shame that such a good mod cannot benefit of multiple gpu´s in a situation
where it is extremely needed.

I think we both agree that the driver support today is good enough for both brands and problems of bad scaling,
like it was several years ago is gone smile.gif

cheers mate
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I did not want to put you under "generalising - suspicious - dude- category" as it may
sounded ^^

Yea, you gotta check many benchmarks to get the right picture of a hardware, due more complex graphic engines
using different aspects of your hardware.. 10 years ago it was not like it is today.

But generally said, it is no problem to find out a good combination and to get a picture of what you buy, before you
buy it. It just takes really much time browsing the web and comparing :/

The only thing cranking me up is, that i did not find a way to get a good scaling with ENB Injector dll´s with Nvidia.
I should sarch again the web. Its a shame that such a good mod cannot benefit of multiple gpu´s in a situation
where it is extremely needed.

I think we both agree that the driver support today is good enough for both brands and problems of bad scaling,
like it was several years ago is gone smile.gif

cheers mate

All good. I totally agree with you about needing to do your research. I found this article I think is very interesing. it concluded that AMD FX cpus were slightly bettter performing with Nvidia SLI by a 5% margin over using its own gpus.

http://m.tomshardware.com/reviews/crossfire-sli-scaling-bottleneck,3471-12.html
Edited by dihartnell - 5/29/13 at 2:47am
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