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Originally Posted by 2010rig View Post

Those are 8970 OEM specs, which is a rebrand of current 7970.

Go ahead and compare them.

7970 - http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/7000/7970/Pages/radeon-7970.aspx#3

8970 - http://www.amd.com/US/PRODUCTS/DESKTOP/GRAPHICS/8000/Pages/8000-series.aspx#2

I see... That makes more sense now.
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I don't understand people complaining about the HD8970 or GTX 780 or TITAN being bad "value" or worse or whatever.

Since when have the high end ever been remotely considered anything along the lines of value??? Why should they charge less when the market is clearly ok with them charging more (by show of sales)?

Value charts/debates/cries need to honestly be direct at the cards that are built and manufactured and DESIGNED to be value cards.
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Yeah, those specs seem off and why would they change the 8950 specs from the 8970 so drastically?
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I don't understand people complaining about the HD8970 or GTX 780 or TITAN being bad "value" or worse or whatever.

Since when have the high end ever been remotely considered anything along the lines of value??? Why should they charge less when the market is clearly ok with them charging more (by show of sales)?

Value charts/debates/cries need to honestly be direct at the cards that are built and manufactured and DESIGNED to be value cards.

GTX Titan costs 2.5x as much as Radeon HD 7970. It offers ~35% more performance.

GTX 780 costs 1.63x as much as Radeon HD 7970. It offers ~20% more performance.

HD 8970 will cost 1.5x as much as Radeon HD 7970. It will offer ~35% more performance.

GTX Titan was released in February 2013. GTX 780 was released in May 2013. HD 8970 will be released later in 2013.

HD 7970 was released in December 2011.

These are all high-end cards.

Do you see an issue here? You're getting less value for your dollar. As time goes on, technology is supposed to offer you MORE value for your dollar.

Now, if we compare to the 7970's less reasonable launch price of $550 (vs the $400 current market price), the story is a little different...

GTX Titan costs 1.82x as much as HD 7970 for ~35% more performance.

GTX 780 costs 1.18x as much as HD 7970 for ~20% more performance.

HD 8970 costs 1.09x as much as HD 7970 for ~35% more performance.

I guess if you look at it that way it's only NVIDIA that's ripping people off.
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I'm with you, because the prices on these new gpus are embarrassingly overpriced. As pc gamers, we'd be showing them that we won't take these prices by not buying them. That means the 800 and 9000 series cards will be priced at the correct pricing. They tried uping the price when the Economy is not doing so good in the States. I don't think it was a smart move. tongue.gif

Besides the fact that my gtx 570 still runs games pretty good, not maxed out on some newer titles that are graphics demanding but I think 700-600 bucks for a gtx 780 or ati 8970 is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I could care less if someone says there 10-20 percent more powerful than the 600 and 700 series versions because technology is suppose to improve over time especially in a year but the prices are way too high.

To bad the $1000 Titan did so well then wink.gif I wouldn't hold my breath for cards to get any cheaper in the 9000 series.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/05/17/nvidias-surprised-the-titan-outsold-the-year-old-gtx-690-in-just-3-months-were-not/
    
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Do you see an issue here? You're getting less value for your dollar. As time goes on, technology is supposed to offer you MORE value for your dollar.

Exactly where is this written in stone? Why SHOULD new tech get cheaper year after year exactly? I see old tech getting cheaper, but what exactly mandates that new tech get cheaper?

Simple economics tells us that THE MARKET (that is, you, me, everyone here on OCN) determines the price of the product. Why exactly should AMD or Nvidia do anything but sell their product at their maximum profit?
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Exactly where is this written in stone? Why SHOULD new tech get cheaper year after year exactly? I see old tech getting cheaper, but what exactly mandates that new tech get cheaper?

Simple economics tells us that THE MARKET (that is, you, me, everyone here on OCN) determines the price of the product. Why exactly should AMD or Nvidia do anything but sell their product at their maximum profit?

Because chips of a given size cost less to produce over time as processes mature, new processes enable chips with similar performance to be made much smaller and therefore cheaper / chips with much better performance to be made at a similar die size, and demand decreases if no substantial performance/feature gains are made at a given price point over a long period of time. Not many people are ever going to buy a new GPU if price/performance never improves.
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Looks really nice I really hope they're true(apart from teh prices) , but I doubt it. tongue.gif
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Wow. HD8950 sucks. Too bad both companies now with their duopoly are making the GTX *70 / HD **50 look garbage.
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I have now been rewarded for resisting the urge to buy a titan or 780 gtx. Hello AMD and goodbye Nvidia.
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