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I'm looking for an upgrade before christmas or at christmas time from my Radeon 6850, is Santa gonna deliver?
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what would these rumored HD8850s be comparable to?

Honestly the HD 8850 is weak. For $220 other than 40W less power consumption, the HD7870GHz edition is about the same price.

The HD8870 is probably going to get a VRAM bottleneck since it's clocked to 6GHz effective. The HD8950 seems to have better memory clocks, maybe due to a different memory supplier but for 10% gains over a HD7970 everyone would just grab the HD7970 unless the HD8950 was cheaper. It is also the same chip as 8870 it seems.

The TDP drop better not be from cutting compute on all the midrange cards, even if HD7790 is reassuring us this won't happen.
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Strange that the 8950 isn't a gimped Curacao/8970 in the same way that the 7950 is a gimped Tahiti/7970. Seems like a lot of potential profit lost by simply throwing all those slightly defective dies out. thinking.gif
They will probably play the NVIDIA strategy of putting out a big hole in their lineup and when people stop paying for the TITAN/GTX 680 introduce the bad dies as GTX 780 or GTX 670/GTX 660 Ti. tongue.gif

They probably learned from sales figures that majority went for HD7950s over HD7970s so this gen they're doing away with that and going what amounts to a HD7970--> HD7870XT-->HD7870-->HD7850 kind of thing at launch.
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HD 8950 specs seem incorrect. it makes sense to have the HD 8950 as a salvaged Curacao part with 2048 sp and the rest of the chip same as HD 8970 , but with 3GB VRAM.

This is my expectations

HD 8970 - 2304 sp, 3 geometry engines, 8 ACE 2.0, 48 ROP, 6 GB GDDR5, 384 bit memory (1100 / 7000) for USD 600. +35% perf wrt HD 7970 Ghz

HD 8950 - 2048 sp, 3 geometry engines, 8 ACE 2.0, 48 ROP, 3 GB GDDR5, 384 bit memory (1000 / 6000) for USD 400 - 450. +15% wrt HD 7970 Ghz

HD 8870 - 1792 sp, 2 geometry engines, 8 ACE 2.0, 32 ROP, 2 GB GDDR5, 256 bit memory (1200 / 7000) for USD 300. HD 7970 Ghz perf (+45% wrt HD 7870)

HD 8850 - 1536 sp, 2 geometry engines, 8 ACE 2.0, 32 ROP, 2 GB GDDR5, 256 bit memory (1100 / 6000) for USD 230. GTX 670 perf (+30% wrt HD 7870)

HD 8830 - 1280 sp, 2 geometry engines, 8 ACE 2.0, 32 ROP, 2 GB GDDR5, 256 bit memory (1000 / 6000) for USD 200. GTX 660 Ti / HD 7950(800 Mhz perf) (+15% wrt HD 7870)

Put it in a chart graphic with an OCN logo and we can drive traffic to OCN! These rumor mills like chiphell and wccftech have been wrong before, so at least raghu78's prediction would be more useful


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There is an AMD NDA currently out right now that ends at the end of May. So right in time for Computex. However, TTL already confirmed in his GTX 780 Review video that its not a GPU. So whatever AMD has in store there is not a new GPU.
Its amazing how people still don't get this. AMD is a business just like Nvidia. They both want money. They don't care about the consumer as long as their products are being bought. People think AMD/Nvidia are their best friends. Its laughable.
I agree, both are bad but NVIDIA is worse. Look how bad compute is crippled on Kepler and their stranglehold on their partners with respect to OCing and voltage control.

AMD and NVIDIA are like LG and Samsung for LCDs: they have a cartel on pricing.
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The 8870 specs seem to be somewhat similar to the 7870 Tahiti LE.
http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/1483978/width/500/height/1000
160W TDP though instead of 185W. and unlike HD7870Xt which only has 10% more FP32 performance this has 40% more

The GTX 670 is 170W , GTX 680 is 195W

If they just used the same as HD7790 FP32 performance per watt the specs make sense (about 20GFlops/W)
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Wow. HD8950 sucks. Too bad both companies now with their duopoly are making the GTX *70 / HD **50 look garbage.

Interesting how an AMD rep said they had no plans to release a new single-gpu this year and this news all of a sudden comes out right after Nvidia's 780 card. I think if you just consider AMD/Nvidia as one company you wont be upset when they pull off schemes like this time and time again.
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Personally if AMD is able to match the Titan with 2 billion less transistors then I for one will have no problem with it.
If everyone got the 7970 when it came out before the 680 then no one would have gotten the 680. Nvidia just has the release date advantage, if all we have to do is wait till Q3 how is that any different then the people who waited for the gtx680/70 to come out. Unlike the 7970 at the time these drives won't suck and pull the overall performance way down.

GCN 2.0 is pretty efficient per watt, and for that reason alone I will wait to get one.

I foresee some price drops from nvidia after AMD releases their cards, like what AMD forced Nvidia to do with the 4870.
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Personally i dont care about 6GB vRAM because i pointless unless you use 4xMSAA 3x 1080p+ setups for now. Right now 3-4GB is more then enough for high end GPUs. Also 2304 SP seem a bit low unless the card overclocks beyond 1300MHZ
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And before that wasn't Nvidia selling 550$ GPUs for a long time? Gotcha.
The 7970 released at 550$ and suddenly AMD is blamed for overpriced GPUs. Dayum. What sort of logic exists here baffles me

I think the $550 price was there to reflect on Nvidias GTX580 3GB.

Also because of low stocks sometimes is better to price higher so those that can pay will buy the card. $400 price is the correct price for HD 7970. No matter how you look at its GTX680 @$500 should have dropped too but it did not while being slower. Where you able to ever buy a Nvidia GTX080 GPU for $100-150 less then original value until they where replaced/? GTX580 price did not even drop with HD 7970 out. There are also those people that are not found here that would believe the higher price product is better.
The high vRAM for these cards seems reasonable with the 5-6GB RAM that can be used for consoles.

So prices won't change until AMD comes out with their new cards. Might as well buy as soon as possible then.
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I don't understand people complaining about the HD8970 or GTX 780 or TITAN being bad "value" or worse or whatever.

Since when have the high end ever been remotely considered anything along the lines of value??? Why should they charge less when the market is clearly ok with them charging more (by show of sales)?

Value charts/debates/cries need to honestly be direct at the cards that are built and manufactured and DESIGNED to be value cards.

GTX Titan costs 2.5x as much as Radeon HD 7970. It offers ~35% more performance.

GTX 780 costs 1.63x as much as Radeon HD 7970. It offers ~20% more performance.

HD 8970 will cost 1.5x as much as Radeon HD 7970. It will offer ~35% more performance.

GTX Titan was released in February 2013. GTX 780 was released in May 2013. HD 8970 will be released later in 2013.

HD 7970 was released in December 2011.

These are all high-end cards.

Do you see an issue here? You're getting less value for your dollar. As time goes on, technology is supposed to offer you MORE value for your dollar.

Now, if we compare to the 7970's less reasonable launch price of $550 (vs the $400 current market price), the story is a little different...

GTX Titan costs 1.82x as much as HD 7970 for ~35% more performance.

GTX 780 costs 1.18x as much as HD 7970 for ~20% more performance.

HD 8970 costs 1.09x as much as HD 7970 for ~35% more performance.

I guess if you look at it that way it's only NVIDIA that's ripping people off.
GTX 780 performs the same as the Titan in almost all games when both are overclocked.

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Granted, this is a rumor but why are their so many people doubting AMD when it comes to GPU's? They have stated many times that they are going to heavily focus on gaming. They have stated that they produce the most powerful graphic cards. The last few months the Titan has put Nvidia in the lead both in performance and high price. You don't think they want to take back the performance crown?

Since AMD has publicly stated that they're envisioning 50% of future revenues coming from "high growth markets" (e.g. dense servers, embedded and semi-custom processors), it does seem that they've largely capitulated getting the performance crowns in traditional markets like x86 chips and GPUs.
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Whats the big deal... unless your Nvidia because it's going to kill your profit margins.

The enormous costs incurred by their attempt to "bribe" gamers over to their side is one of the key reasons that AMD's graphics division (which is the only profitable part of the company) only had a profit of $16M (that's million with an "m") in Q1'13.

Spending $TEXAS on their "Never Settle" bundles really put a hurt on their per-card margins.
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Since AMD has publicly stated that they're envisioning 50% of future revenues coming from "high growth markets" (e.g. dense servers, embedded and semi-custom processors), it does seem that they've largely capitulated getting the performance crowns in traditional markets like x86 chips and GPUs.
The enormous costs incurred by their attempt to "bribe" gamers over to their side is one of the key reasons that AMD's graphics division (which is the only profitable part of the company) only had a profit of $16M (that's million with an "m") in Q1'13.

Spending $TEXAS on their "Never Settle" bundles really put a hurt on their per-card margins.

Okay, I have several issues with this.

1. AMD expects 20% of future revenues to come from "high growth markets"
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2. What does a decrease in market share have to do with a company's ability to release new products that match or exceed the competition. If anything it is only more of a reason for a company to release products that match or exceed the competition.

3. Yes, the never settle bundles are costing them alot of money. Also, Yes, Nvidia's cards have a higher profit margin even with the bundle excluded but they are not looking to make some quick cash. Their betting the farm on APU's and Gaming, and if they had to break even in discrete GPU's just to push forward the rest of the company you don't think they would? Long term goals is to establish AMD as the go to company for Gaming. They wont do it overnight, but they will continue to sell high performance cards with lower prices and lower profit margins than nvidia until they increase their market share and eventually increase their fan loyalty base. I bet most people who purchased a 7xxx are very happy with not only the games but the performance of their cards.

I can tell from your sig rigs thats your a Nvidia fan, and I wasn't talking trash about Nvidia. Both companies have been pretty even in performance for awhile now. Which is why I don't get people have their doubts about AMD's GPU division. Yes, the drivers were not as good as NVidia's but they have invested more money into the 7xxx series and they have improved drastically.

From everything you said it sounds like your just hating on AMD just to hate on AMD.
so what will happen eventually is that AMD makes enough money off of those other sources, and we will be stuck with Nvidia's high prices until then. Maybe AMD isn't even concentrating on gaming performance as much since their cards are better at compute performance, like nvidia cards used to be until they started to optimize gaming cards for fast game rendering. And that's why AMD is behind release right now with GCN 2.0 like someone else said they have had plenty of time with 28nm.
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Might get an 8950 if it comes with rome 2 and bf4 via the never settle bundle but these price to performance ratios suck.
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Might get an 8950 if it comes with rome 2 and bf4 via the never settle bundle but these price to performance ratios suck.

Agree thats what im looking for! Price to Performance Ratio, i don't care if its AMD/nVidia
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Was considering to buy a 780 but now I'm thinkin' I'll just wait until the end of this year before upgrading. AMD appears to have something nice up their sleeve thinking.gif
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oh boy if there was a good waterblock for this..... T_T
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if they can release something good with all the issues sorted ill come across. I have 2 titans but would love to have 5x1 portrait. I will also need 2 more of the vg248qe
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