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Well, if 8970 will perform better than 780 why would AMD price it lower than 650$? That makes no sense. It's like admitting your product is inferior while it's not.


Because AMD knows they can't match Nvidia pricing.  Look at the 680/7970GE - even though the 7970GE is faster and marginally cheaper, it is still outsold by the 680.

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Dunno why there wouldn't be 6GB 780's. It has been always done before, not sure what would stop them now?!

So they don't piss off titan owners even more! 6gb 780 for 749.99 vs the titans 1049.99
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see above. I wasn't entirely correct, I should have said they don't have $1100 cards.

I'm just tired of seeing these "Blame Nvidia for pricing!" posts when the reality is that both companies price their cards as high as they think they can. Competition is what keeps the prices low. On both sides. Currently AMD is lacking which is why AMD should be blamed for pricing.
 
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Not only that but people used to be able to get those powercooler cards with two 7970's on board for like 800 bucks. So it is not like AMD hasn't had super cheap cards before.

7990 is just one of those weird circumstances, as why would they sell a card faster then a gtx690 for less? Even though CF still needs to be fixed, it still is the better hardware.

This. No one buys dual-GPU cards for 1080p and @ higher resolutions and AA 7990 destroys 690. Dunno why would they ask less than what nVidia do.
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Well okay, let's be more accurate, they don't have $1100 cards tongue.gif

touche ;-)

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see above. I wasn't entirely correct, I should have said they don't have $1100 cards.

I'm just tired of seeing these "Blame Nvidia for pricing!" posts when the reality is that both companies price their cards as high as they think they can. Competition is what keeps the prices low. On both sides. Currently AMD is lacking which is why AMD should be blamed for pricing.


Yeah I actually blame AMD for the high prices. If AMD was super competitive we would have a price war. I also blame the lack of competitors. That is an issue. If Intel would really get IGPU going we'd see much better discrete prices.
 
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post #236 of 465
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Because AMD knows they can't match Nvidia pricing.  Look at the 680/7970GE - even though the 7970GE is faster and marginally cheaper, it is still outsold by the 680.

Poor drivers in the early days put the GTX680 above the 7970. Really if it wasn't for the poor drivers Nvidia wouldn't have gotten the sales they have now on the 600 series. People still pull up launch reviews to compare performance, no wonder some of those people went gtx680.

ATM AMD in the single card world is better then then Nvidia's 600 series.


One thing that wont happen with AMD's next gen cards is having drivers not designed around GCN. CF still scales great and add the frame time fix on that and you will be giving Nvidia a run against SLI.

Plus the entire game bundle thing has worked out pretty well for AMD, and the 7970/50 7870XT are some of the best cards to get if you looking for price/performance.
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ladies and gentlemen... some of you are being a bit ridiculous. you can boycott brands/generations all you want. all that's going to happen from that is you're going to miss out on performance gains in favor of paying exactly the same (probably more) at the next generation. At the end of the day next gen cards will sell amazingly well. just like Haswell despite being "underwhelming" so far will sell great. We should be grateful that we are seeing such impressive gains between generations. We could have only seen 10% gains and then what?? No matter the product someone will undoubtedly whine about it then it will come out and everyone will stop and say "**** *** HaXoRs so g00d". My point; if you feel the need to upgrade then do it. waiting wont help. and whining about the first rumor wont matter because next month ten more will come up and say something else. Say that parts of this rumor are true? good for us. does that mean every bit is either wrong or right? no. We all knew the rumors where coming they always do. wait don't wait buy a 780 buy another card to sli your old rig. The titan was brought out to milk out these preformance increases early at a premium. think of it as early admmission to next gen. people knew that and bought it. I'm just saying cards aren't going to magically get cheaper. yes they are probably going to cost more as time goes on. Is it ridiculous? yes. Will we pay it? most of us.

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Plus the entire game bundle thing has worked out pretty well for AMD,

No it hasn't. It has worked out pretty well for the consumer but AMD themselves are just taking a big hit on the margins of the 7000 series cards.
 
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Poor drivers in the early days put the GTX680 above the 7970. Really if it wasn't for the poor drivers Nvidia wouldn't have gotten the sales they have now on the 600 series. People still pull up launch reviews to compare performance, no wonder some of those people went gtx680.

And they compounded their problem by changing the price of their top-end card from $369 to $550.  I think a lot of people hesitated to buy at launch because of that, and then when the 680 came out faster and cheaper people jumped on it.  The GE was too little too late. 

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Yeah I actually blame AMD for the high prices. If AMD was super competitive we would have a price war. I also blame the lack of competitors. That is an issue. If Intel would really get IGPU going we'd see much better discrete prices.

I don't know, if consumers would respond to AMD having better price/perf by buying more of those cards over the Nvidia option then AMD would have more incentive to attempt to maintain a healthy price/perf lead. Same could be said of Nvidia, if worse price/perf had a big negative impact on their sales numbers they'd have incentive to hit better price/perf targets. There is a give and take between buyer and seller.

Spend enough GPU generations thanking AMD for bringing the prices down while buying the Nvidia product and eventually AMD might decide to stop trying to win your business and start exploring the higher end of their pricing formulas. Which is how I see the 7900 series introduction.
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