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Seems plausible for a new flagship die if they need to stay on the 28nm node.
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Too good to be true thinking.gif

How do you figure?

The 7970 already has a 2048 shaders and a 384-bit memory bus and was launched at a lower price.

How exactly would AMD offer a relevant upgrade without more functional units, and why would they charge significantly more for a card that slots into the same segment?
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Ah sounds like the HD7970 vs HD7970GHZ, more of a marketing gimmick than anything.

It's more like the 780 vs the Titan.

7970 vs 7970GE is just a clock speed hike.
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what would these rumored HD8850s be comparable to?

A 7970, or a heavily OCed 7950.
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About the 8970, How could an increase of just 15% in SP equal to a 35% jump in performance over the 7970GHz?

50% more ROPs and a higher core clock.
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Also 2304 SP seem a bit low unless the card overclocks beyond 1300MHZ

AMD's cards have traditionally had a surplus of shader/compute power.

I'd say ROPs are more important at this point than SPs.

I mean, a 7970 only has ~30% more fill rate than 5850.
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I don't know, if consumers would respond to AMD having better price/perf by buying more of those cards over the Nvidia option then AMD would have more incentive to attempt to maintain a healthy price/perf lead. Same could be said of Nvidia, if worse price/perf had a big negative impact on their sales numbers they'd have incentive to hit better price/perf targets. There is a give and take between buyer and seller.

Actually, if more ppl buy AMD's cards they would milk their customers more and nVidia would milk less.
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No it hasn't. It has worked out pretty well for the consumer but AMD themselves are just taking a big hit on the margins of the 7000 series cards.

Brand recognition, the more people that try AMD cards will probably have a higher chance of using them again. Also making money on having a customers buy their cards because of the bundle vs them buying a nvidia card and not get any of that money if better for AMD.

They might not get as much back on every 7000 series card, but they sure are selling more. If AMD plans on becoming a Gaming focused company then what they are doing with the bundles are nothing but great.
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Brand recognition, the more people that try AMD cards will probably have a higher chance of using them again. Also making money on having a customers buy their cards because of the bundle vs them buying a nvidia card and not get any of that money if better for AMD.

They might not get as much back on every 7000 series card, but they sure are selling more. If AMD plans on becoming a Gaming focused company then what they are doing with the bundles are nothing but great.

But the cards are selling incredibly poorly.... Even compared to last gen products. If it's supposed to bring them brand recognition then why is their market share dropping? Why did Nvidia sell 85% more of their top 3 cards (from the 600 series, not incuding 690) than AMD's top 3 cards?

It's suppose to net them marketshare, and sales but frankly I haven't seen any proof of that.
 
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But the cards are selling incredibly poorly.... Even compared to last gen products. If it's supposed to bring them brand recognition then why is their market share dropping? Why did Nvidia sell 85% more of their top 3 cards (from the 600 series, not incuding 690) than AMD's top 3 cards?

It's suppose to net them marketshare, and sales but frankly I haven't seen any proof of that.

The first entire year of AMD messing around with poor drivers sure didn't help them out.

AMD's cards have been selling perfectly fine over the last few months.

And their CPU division bleeding the company dry doesn't help them dedicate more money into the GPU division to help solve some of these problems.

AMD simply wasn't ready on the software side for GCN graphic cards, not that they have nearly fixed most of the problems, the next generations don't have to face those problems.


Nvidia having more market share still doesn't mean Nvidia had the better cards, though 600 series user did have the better gaming experience for the last year. Though that is no longer the case.
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I still don't see that much proof of them actually selling well.

Just because they've finally gotten their drivers to work (at least in single card systems) when the 700 is already coming out doesn't mean that people would suddenly be interested in the cards. Maybe on OCN, but the normal PC gamer looking to update his/her PC will hardly look into the improvements AMD has made in the past year.

Fortunately with the next gen they can actually (at east hopefully) get everything working out of the gate.
 
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The 7000 series seems to be selling pretty well, simply because AMD has them priced very competitively.

The overwhelming majority of people are not buying multi-GPU setups (and AMDs single GPU issues are often seriously overstated, even with older drivers), and do not care about top end cards like the 780. They are buying 100-300 dollar parts.
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it doesn't make sense you can pick up a AMD Radeon HD 7870 XT right now for 230 and its the same performance if not better then 8850 :\ and thats been avaliable since november of last year
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Actually, if more ppl buy AMD's cards they would milk their customers more and nVidia would milk less.

Not if, as I stated, customers purchasing volume was heavily based on price/perf without the brand loyalty in play. There is advantage to finding a sweet spot where your customers are buying more from you even though you make a bit less per unit.
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it doesn't make sense you can pick up a AMD Radeon HD 7870 XT right now for 230 and its the same performance if not better then 8850 :\ and thats been avaliable since november of last year

Actually it does: the 7850 was pretty much spot on performance-wise with the 6950 and used less power. Should be the same kind of deal here.
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