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Also, as someone pointed out earlier their numbers do not match up.

What numbers don't match up?
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And Titan does not really cannibalize the compute market. A Tesla K20/K20X is still leaps and bounds ahead thanks to better BIOS, drivers, ECC and dynamic parallelism. It is nice to have for apps like F@H (if it will ever need 64) and BOINC though.

Titan still has nearly the same FP64 performance as the K20X, and nearly ten times the FP64 performance of the GTX780. It also retains dynamic parallelism and hyper-q (https://developer.nvidia.com/ultimate-cuda-development-gpu). While lack of ECC will limit it's application somewhat, I would not be surprised if it's already eating into K20/K20X sales to a degree.
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What about the new amd cards do you guys think that like with the GK 104 is amd going to cut down on the FP64 cores to save power consumption and focus more on gaming ? redface.gif

AMD already has a smaller ratio of FP64 capable units and having to maintain two separate big die lines, in addition to redesigning the chip, would probably not be worthwhile.

NVIDIA doesn't have a separate big Kepler dies for the Teslas and GTX 780, they simply disable features after the fact on the 780.
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No. GCN was meant to be compute-oriented and none of that FP64 crippling garbage nvidia is doing on kepler

AMD is already crippling FP64 performance on lower end GCN 2.0 parts. The 7790 only has 1/16th the FP64 to FP32 performance ratio. The 79xx and presumably the 89xx are 1/4.

Consumers generally have very little use for FP64 performance.
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I love my Titans! The last 3 months has been total gaming pleasure. Such stability and power!!! They will continue to be a beast till the Nvidia 880 comes out and ill upgrade and sell my titans. Maybe ill even look at the 8970 if its any good and AMD fix all their fundamental floors.
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NVIDIA doesn't have a separate big Kepler dies for the Teslas and GTX 780, they simply disable features after the fact on the 780.
AMD is already crippling FP64 performance on lower end GCN 2.0 parts. The 7790 only has 1/16th the FP64 to FP32 performance ratio. The 79xx and presumably the 89xx are 1/4.

Consumers generally have very little use for FP64 performance.
I know. Better then completely cutting out FP64 like Nvidia did with kepler desktop parts/
It's only fair 7790 has 1/16th the FP64 to FP32, it belongs to the "8770" series i think
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1) What numbers don't match up?

2) Titan still has nearly the same FP64 performance as the K20X, and nearly ten times the FP64 performance of the GTX780.
3) It also retains dynamic parallelism and hyper-q (https://developer.nvidia.com/ultimate-cuda-development-gpu). While lack of ECC will limit it's application somewhat,
4) I would not be surprised if it's already eating into K20/K20X sales to a degree.

 

1) 8870 = 7870 +40% and 8950 = 7970 +10%

 

This would make a an 8870 on par with 8950 or slightly faster

 

2) Theoretically. The influence of drivers is far greater than the logic units itself. Titan fails to really distance itself from a GTX 580 in most GPGPU applications due to drivers (granted not all are FP64) [1].

 

3) You're right here it does support Dynamic Parallelism and HyperQ though limited in concurrency vs the Tesla GK110 counterparts (Tesla supports 4x the amount of streams vs Titan), my bad.

 

4) Not sure if it does though, I'd figure the people buying Titans as Tesla replacements aren't significant enough to really hurt nV. Now that I see that it supports Dynamic Parallelism it should be a very interesting product for workstations (up to 2U or 4U). For supercomputers however where Teslas are really aimed at with a vast amount of GPU clusters, the lack of GPU grid features vs Tesla cards will not make them a very viable option. I'm pretty sure nV has that potential leak covered.

 

[1] http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-titan-opencl-cuda-workstation,3474.html

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1) 8870 = 7870 +40% and 8950 = 7970 +10%

Because a "leak" from a Chinese forum == fact?
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Because a "leak" from a Chinese forum == fact?

 

Nope, hence my elaboration.

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1) 8870 = 7870 +40% and 8950 = 7970 +10%

This would make a an 8870 on par with 8950 or slightly faster

2) Theoretically. The influence of drivers is far greater than the logic units itself. Titan fails to really distance itself from a GTX 580 in most GPGPU applications due to drivers (granted not all are FP64) [[URL=http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-titan-opencl-cuda-workstation,3474.html]1[/URL]].

3) You're right here it does support Dynamic Parallelism and HyperQ though limited in concurrency vs the Tesla GK110 counterparts (Tesla supports 4x the amount of streams vs Titan), my bad.

4) Not sure if it does though, I'd figure the people buying Titans as Tesla replacements aren't significant enough to really hurt nV. Now that I see that it supports Dynamic Parallelism it should be a very interesting product for workstations (up to 2U or 4U). For supercomputers however where Teslas are really aimed at with a vast amount of GPU clusters, the lack of GPU grid features vs Tesla cards will not make them a very viable option. I'm pretty sure nV has that potential leak covered.

[1] http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-titan-opencl-cuda-workstation,3474.html

The 8870 is a scaled down 8950, it can't be faster.
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The 8870 is a scaled down 8950, it can't be faster.

 

Gents, that is what I'm saying tongue.gif

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Because a "leak" from a Chinese forum == fact?

Well considering it was found that Chinese hackers have been sifting through a majority of U.S. corporation emails for years, what would exclude AMD corp.? I wouldnt doubt this could be fact. Interesting non the less.
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The 8870 is a scaled down 8950, it can't be faster.
You mean a OC'd similar-to-tahiti LE-but-is-GCN2.0 biggrin.gif
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