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From what our rep has been telling us, somewhere around $2000-$2400.

EDIT: I've been doing the conversion from GBP because US pricing of the previous model (U2442) isn't available. The U2442 costs GBP 1000 and this is supposed to be 20-25% more expensive. I assume it'll cost less in the US.
You can buy an ASUS G55VW for 1100 USD (and its build quality will run this machine into the ground). Charging anything over 1500 USD for a single non top end GPU is pretty much insane. It's not like they are bundling dual GTX 780M there.

Regarding the thickness, what most people don't realise is that it's not taken by actual hardware, but by 1) cooling and 2) battery. So you get thin and light, yes, but also noisy laptop with low battery life. It's not magically slimmer, that's a trade-off. Will have to wait for reviews for details, though.

Edit: in fact, I think the whole notion of paying more for components taken away from you (which is essentially what slim laptops do) is a quite strange.
Edited by zalbard - 5/29/13 at 10:47am
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it's gonna have some serious heat removal issues being that thin.

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nice but not a fan of these thin books, will definitely have cooling issues

Do you people not think they test these laptops before sending them out? I can play games all night long without heating issues on my rMBP, so I'm positive that this laptop will be no different. Companies don't tend to sell things that overheat from the factory, they're not that stupid.

The performance of this thing will be awesome for its form factor. Really glad to see good GPUs coming in properly small and portable packages now. I think the mSATA SSD option will be completely unused though and they should have just cleared space for a full sized SSD rather than two mSATA ones.
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Wow, getting nicer. But I hate the bezel as well. And why cant they make the bottom match? frown.gif Love the thinness, but wouldnt it throttle if heat is an issue?

Yeah, it would, but it's likely that heat wont be an issue. Especially since Haswell will be putting out less heat.
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You can buy an ASUS G55VW for 1100 USD (and its build quality will run this machine into the ground). Charging anything over 1500 USD for a single non top end GPU is pretty much insane. It's not like they are bundling dual GTX 780M there.

Regarding the thickness, what most people don't realise is that it's not taken by actual hardware, but by 1) cooling and 2) battery. So you get thin and light, yes, but also noisy laptop with low battery life. It's not magically slimmer, that's a trade-off. Will have to wait for reviews for details, though.

Edit: in fact, I think the whole notion of paying more for components taken away from you (which is essentially what slim laptops do) is a quite strange.

I've had several Asus laptops, none of them have been built spectacularly well. I think this Gigabyte will be on par with those at least, if not better.

That's not true at all. The Retina MacBook is silent and has extremely long battery life. It's all about how well it's engineered. Sure, you pay for it, but it exists.

Slim laptops don't take components away from you, and you're usually paying for the convenience of it being smaller, along with the big engineering cost of making a laptop so thin do its job so well mechanically.
Edited by Monstrous - 5/29/13 at 11:27am
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Do you people not think they test these laptops before sending them out? I can play games all night long without heating issues on my rMBP, so I'm positive that this laptop will be no different. Companies don't tend to sell things that overheat from the factory, they're not that stupid.

The rMBP has lower power components, which means they're easier to cool.

Also, OEMs not being stupid about their designs? I beg to differ. My N61Jq laptop heats up to nearly 90C under full load unless if I take off the bottom panel and include a laptop cooler. Plus, the cooling assembly is somewhat shoddy:

(Red means higher pressure)


Edited by A Bad Day - 5/29/13 at 12:34pm
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The rMBP has lower power components, which means they're easier to cool.

Also, OEMs not being stupid about their designs? I beg to differ. My N61Jq laptop heats up to nearly 90C under full load unless if I take off the bottom panel and include a laptop cooler. Plus, the cooling assembly is somewhat shoddy:

(Red means higher pressure)


The components in the rMBP are the same as the 650M and 3740QM that are in windows laptops, they're full power parts. In fact the 650M is the overclocked version which is almost identical in performance to a 660M. They're no easier to cool than the same parts in any other laptop, it's just well engineered, unlike most laptops.

It may be shoddy, but 90 degrees is fine for most CPUs, especially since most mobile chips have a higher tjmax than their desktop counterparts, because they know people will do stupid stuff, like leave laptops sitting on blankets and they'll overheat because no air is getting through. Most laptops nowadays, the temps are lower than that anyway. The laptop you mention is also a much cheaper model than the one this thread is about, so they can afford to spend more time on the cooling system.
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The N61Jq used to cost over $1,200. That's not cheap.

EDIT: I also forgot to mention that when the laptop does heat up to 90C, it burns my left hand because the thermal energy was transferring through the keyboard. If you're going to make a laptop run that hot, make sure it doesn't give the owner burns in the process.
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The N61Jq used to cost over $1,200. That's not cheap.

EDIT: I also forgot to mention that when the laptop does heat up to 90C, it burns my left hand because the thermal energy was transferring through the keyboard. If you're going to make a laptop run that hot, make sure it doesn't give the owner burns in the process.

You have a faulty laptop, if it actually burns your hand when you use it, then you'd have a faulty product that was too dangerous to sell. Your is broken. If that was the case for all of them, there would be reports of people hurting themselves using it. Also many lawsuits.
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You have a faulty laptop, if it actually burns your hand when you use it, then you'd have a faulty product that was too dangerous to sell. Your is broken. If that was the case for all of them, there would be reports of people hurting themselves using it. Also many lawsuits.

Because most people who push their laptop that far usually replace thermal paste (warranty voided), and/or use a laptop cooler to reduce the thermal load, or say nothing about it, at least the ones at Notebookreview's thread dedicated for the N61Jq. Most of the complaints have to do with broken hinges, wonky WiFi or system stability, and etc.

Since you still seem to be convinced that OEMs are mostly immune to strange designs:

http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-A53SD-TS71-750GB-NVIDIA-Laptop/dp/B0072VQHM0

For just $1,300, you get an i7, paired with a 2 GB GT 610m that has a weaker performance than the i7's HD 4000. And people really did buy that laptop, and two of them left 5-star reviews. In fact, PCWorld said it was a great laptop to buy. The editor didn't care that an i7 was an overkill for your average user.

They'll keep selling strange/bad designs because it sells, and makes their next quarterly budget report look good.
Edited by A Bad Day - 5/29/13 at 5:32pm
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i7s are good for marketing but I think gaming laptops should stop using them and start using i5s, so that they can beef up the GPU in them while charging the same price.

That will improve every laptop user's gaming experience. I'm no i5 evangelist by the way - I do use a 3770k despite my mate telling me I was stupid to go for it tongue.gif

It's just that one of my friends (about a year ago) got a "gaming" laptop, which came with an i7 and a GT 525m. Now I know he would have been better off in games if the OEM used an i5 and a 560m as well, and I bet the price would have been similar.
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i7s are good for marketing but I think gaming laptops should stop using them and start using i5s, so that they can beef up the GPU in them while charging the same price.

That will improve every laptop user's gaming experience. I'm no i5 evangelist by the way - I do use a 3770k despite my mate telling me I was stupid to go for it tongue.gif

It's just that one of my friends (about a year ago) got a "gaming" laptop, which came with an i7 and a GT 525m. Now I know he would have been better off in games if the OEM used an i5 and a 560m as well, and I bet the price would have been similar.


sorta do agree(to some extent) to see laptops with options of enthusiast mobile gpus and a "good enough" cpu to hold up that gpu. I'm assuming you want something along the concept of MSI's GX60(A10+7970m) but running off an i5 instead(hopefully a QM model and not a normal model). It would be a particularly interesting gaming laptop none the less
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Read a article a few days ago that claims Haswell-m has 50% less power draw at full load then Ivy-m. This will help with temps a lot. Don't know about the 780m though
Edited by Unkzilla - 5/29/13 at 8:33pm
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