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post #81 of 106
Who did Stuxnet kill again? Must have missed that article. And I don't see anyone here saying that agencies in the US aren't participating in cyber activities.
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post #82 of 106
I say hack them too (I'm sure its happening) but really damage stuff. Not just that but start financially hurting China slowly.
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There is a very real chance that what the Chinese were supposedly able to gain access to is nothing more than a decoy. Think about it, you create false designs for a very expensive weapons system, allow another country to "hack" them, and then sit back and laugh as they spend millions trying to build the useless hunk of junk that you handed them. Or, alternatively, they successfully build a very powerful weapon with your stolen plans. A weapon that you have intimate understanding of, and may ultimately gain control of through a built in exploit.

There's also a chance that this entire incident never happened, but the US can use it as justification to escalate the cold war going on between the two powers.

Also, to the people who say " we arrest hackers we don't hire them", that's a bit misleading. US govt usually arrests hackers, THEN hires them. Kind of hard to turn down a job offer when your only alternative is decades in prison. Everyone thinks they go to the pen, but in reality they get whisked off to some secret government compound. The perfect cover for your newest secret agent.

You guys give the CIA and the US. gov. far too little credit.

EDIT: Also, it would be just plain silly to insinuate our government isn't doing the same thing. Don't judge the success of a country's cyber espionage programs by how many times they appear in the news.
Edited by |)3\/][/-\|\|+ - 5/29/13 at 10:26am
post #84 of 106
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Originally Posted by num1son View Post

My point exactly. Why are we not hiring the best hackers we can at any price to start combating this? Or maybe that's been tried and is failing idk, but I would like to hear about this not happening anymore.

Why do you think we're not?
 
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post #85 of 106
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Who did Stuxnet kill again? Must have missed that article. And I don't see anyone here saying that agencies in the US aren't participating in cyber activities.

There was no reports of deaths from the Iranian government that I am aware of. However, what is known is that Stuxnet causes the centrifuges to eventually blow up - literally - because the control mechanism for them is overridden and caused to spin significantly faster than they were designed for. Essentially, a room full of hundreds of centrifuges results in a massive explosion. There was a great documentary about cyber attacks I watched that went in depth on Stuxnet. It was really interesting.

But back to subject, the US needs not to whine about things it does itself. Such hypocrisy. What is that old saying.... you can't take it then don't dish it out? Yeah....
post #86 of 106
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Originally Posted by |)3\/][/-\|\|+ View Post

There is a very real chance that what the Chinese were supposedly able to gain access to is nothing more than a decoy. Think about it, you create false designs for a very expensive weapons system, allow another country to "hack" them, and then sit back and laugh as they spend millions trying to build the useless hunk of junk that you handed them. Or, alternatively, they successfully build a very powerful weapon with your stolen plans. A weapon that you have intimate understanding of, and may ultimately gain control of through a built in exploit.

There's also a chance that this entire incident never happened, but the US can use it as justification to escalate the cold war going on between the two powers.

Also, to the people who say " we arrest hackers we don't hire them", that's a bit misleading. US govt usually arrests hackers, THEN hires them. Kind of hard to turn down a job offer when your only alternative is decades in prison. Everyone thinks they go to the pen, but in reality they get whisked off to some secret government compound. The perfect cover for your newest secret agent.

You guys give the CIA and the US. gov. far too little credit.

EDIT: Also, it would be just plain silly to insinuate our government isn't doing the same thing. Don't judge the success of a country's cyber espionage programs by how many times they appear in the news.

Actually, the industrial espionage is very real and important data was stolen. There's no conspiracy around this. See "Unit 61398" or Google hacks or RSA hack. It also is pretty hard to fool someone with a completely fake design... it's not like they building whatever they find. There are other engineers in the world. Even if there was misinformation, there still would be more useful information.

...you've been watching too much TV....

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But back to subject, the US needs not to whine about things it does itself. Such hypocrisy. What is that old saying.... you can't take it then don't dish it out? Yeah....

The issue is probably that China does not have as good/much IP to steal!
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IDK what all the fuss was about, they didn't get anything that was actually important...

All important gov't information is kept offline...If you couldn't figure that out by now, I'd strongly suggest looking into it...

If only it worked that way!
post #88 of 106
Even a closed-network can be compromised. Chinese are good doing that. All you need is an infected computer connected to the closed-network.
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Even a closed-network can be compromised. Chinese are good doing that. All you need is an infected computer connected to the closed-network.

Which is really tough once you leave NIPR..My exposure goes only one echelon higher than that. and there are many levels beyond me where the real stuff is kept..
 
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post #90 of 106
I don't understand. The most BASIC of security professionals know better. My security teacher said this.

Daryll's 3 Laws of internet security

1. Don't turn your computer on.
2. If you turn the computer on, don't connect it online.
3. See rules one and two.
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