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people actually argue on the internet!?

who woulda known rolleyes.giftongue.gif

hey some people like day 1 dlc. not being able to truly finish the game until you are nickle and dimed for another $10-20 is something we should totally defend as consumers.

after all, how can american video game executives keep their bloated guaranteed bonuses. they might have to get paid the same as executives in other first world countries, ie euro and japan. they might only get paid 10x more rather than 100x more than the average employee. how will they survive, gasp
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As are you. At least I am basing mine of precedent somewhat though. I mean there are current gen games out that currently allow mods-it can't be that expensive or prohibitively hard.

Your only evidence is EA's self serving statement that they can't do it.

Actually, no. I'm basing my comments off of what developers at DICE have said. Not even the ones who normally deal with PR, either. Ones who've commented on the subject on forums on their own free time and have gone far more into detail than any of the official comments about mod tools. I'm not even saying that they can't do it.. I'm saying that it's not easy, but there's still a possibility that it will happen eventually.

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hey some people like day 1 dlc. not being able to truly finish the game until you are nickle and dimed for another $10-20 is something we should totally defend as consumers.

after all, how can american video game executives keep their bloated guaranteed bonuses. they might have to get paid the same as executives in other first world countries, ie euro and japan. they might only get paid 10x more rather than 100x more than the average employee. how will they survive, gasp

Again.. Where do you see that it says day one DLC? You're not even basing that on anything other than pure paranoia. Back to Karkand was announced prior to the release of BF3, as a preorder bonus (just like this one), and it came out months after BF3 released.
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Actually, no. I'm basing my comments off of what developers at DICE have said. Not even the ones who normally deal with PR, either. Ones who've commented on the subject on forums on their own free time and have gone far more into detail than any of the official comments about mod tools. I'm not even saying that they can't do it.. I'm saying that it's not easy, but there's still a possibility that it will happen eventually.

whats the difference between ea+dice. dice=ea, if there bosses tell them to say something they will say it. i just don't see what's unique about bf3, i mean the devs certain tools to create maps in the game in the first place anyway. you honestly think it will happen at this point, when they are trying to push every one onto bf4???
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Again.. Where do you see that it says day one DLC? You're not even basing that on anything other than pure paranoia. Back to Karkand was announced prior to the release of BF3, as a preorder bonus (just like this one), and it came out months after BF3 released.

it's not like it would be the first time ea has done this. remember mass effect? if something is being planned out and created far before the release of a game, why not include it in the game? oh wait so because you can't subsequently charge them extra for something that would normally be included in the vanilla game
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hey some people like day 1 dlc. not being able to truly finish the game until you are nickle and dimed for another $10-20 is something we should totally defend as consumers.

Since when can you "finish" multiplayer? End of a match? Don't need DLC to do that.
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You get a lot of content for your money.
 

 

 

Go try CS: GO. It's 15 bucks. You get free updates, free map packs, free new game modes and there is no ''new'' iteration every year.

post #106 of 161
EA can eat a pile. BF3 wasn't even out for a year and they announced 4, then all the ridiculous DLC they released that cut up the community so you almost HAD to pay for it all to keep playing. Been playing the series since 1942, and now I'm done.
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You get a lot of content for your money.


 


Go try CS: GO. It's 15 bucks. You get free updates, free map packs, free new game modes and there is no ''new'' iteration every year.

only issue is just like any game the community in CSGO is pretty rough around the edges. hard to find a good server where people arent attacking you or trash talking 24/7 lol
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only issue is just like any game the community in CSGO is pretty rough around the edges. hard to find a good server where people arent attacking you or trash talking 24/7 lol

i find the go community pretty mature. sure they trash talk somewhat, but at least they don't constantly call you a "n*****" or "f*****" like the "mature" (ie 12-14 year old) cod community. cs:go community definitely seems older, more mature and better players (though what do you expect from a pc only franchise)
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only issue is just like any game the community in CSGO is pretty rough around the edges. hard to find a good server where people arent attacking you or trash talking 24/7 lol

 

I always play classic competitive so I cant vouch about the dedicated servers. 

With that in mind, people tend to be helpful in voice chat in competitive. Sure there's the occasional ''you suck'' but in general people seems to be focusing on getting things together rather than insulting others.

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whats the difference between ea+dice. dice=ea, if there bosses tell them to say something they will say it. i just don't see what's unique about bf3, i mean the devs certain tools to create maps in the game in the first place anyway. you honestly think it will happen at this point, when they are trying to push every one onto bf4???
it's not like it would be the first time ea has done this. remember mass effect? if something is being planned out and created far before the release of a game, why not include it in the game? oh wait so because you can't subsequently charge them extra for something that would normally be included in the vanilla game

When you're not a public relations person, you have no obligation to go on forums to say anything especially on unofficial forums not owned by DICE/EA. If anything, they would be told not to say anything at all and let the PR people do all the talking.

For the last time, I don't know when it would happen. They could release tools or a map editor for BF4 or they could do it for the next one after that or it could never happen at all if they can't figure everything out. They have to deal with re-licensing (again.. not easily solved even with money) and then developing the tools when they get the greenlight to since the tools they use are not consolidated into one package. They also want it to be user friendly as well as have a place, kind of like Steam Workshop, where users can easily install mods. There's just a lot of factors why it hasn't been done yet (not why it can't be done). It has nothing to do with EA supposedly losing money from people not buying DLCs, because there's plenty of evidence out there that this wouldn't be the case and both DICE and EA know this.

The fact that BioWare and EA got a lot of flack for that DLC will make EA very hesitant from doing it again. EA does learn from its mistakes, believe it or not. Just look at the whole online pass thing. It wasn't very well received so they're dropping it as well as giving away DLC that was blocked behind the pass for free. If they do have day one DLC, it will be something small and more than likely a preorder incentive like the Physical Warfare pack for BF3, which funnily enough, was given away for free after a short period of being exclusive to people who preordered (meaning it was never any extra cost to the consumers).
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Go try CS: GO. It's 15 bucks. You get free updates, free map packs, free new game modes and there is no ''new'' iteration every year.

There hasn't been that many free maps and modes tongue.gif Also, it's probably much cheaper to develop for CS:GO than it is Battlefield (smaller and simpler maps), hence why they can get away with giving away content for free. Not to mention.. it's Valve. They have Steam and don't rely on game sales at all.

Don't get me wrong, though. I love Counter Strike:GO as well as the others. smile.gif
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