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Why shouldn't we have to pay for DLC? It still costs developers/publishers time and money to make them. I can kind of understand for day one and specifically on-disk DLC, but anything post release costs extra for them so why should it be free for us?

Alright ill rephrase we shouldnt have to pay 3-5$ a map and new weapons that could be created by players but they shot that down by taking out mod tools for more profit.
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That DLC should be included in the final game not seperate. Day 1 DLC is stupid.
Where does it say Day 1? Game developers don't work for free and the margins on DLC are far better than the game itself. It's why consoles are sold at a loss or minimal profit, accessories make more than the main object. That DLC also pays for the ability to keep DICE at full strength between titles. That means full strength to patch the current title.
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Announcing DLC even before the game itself is released.

Ok, it's free, but why not just include it in the game upon release and not make a big production out of it because either way don't pretend that you are doing us any favors.

What has happened to my favorite series? Have not touched it since BF2 as it has devolved into a COD embarrassment.

Who says this is Day 1 DLC? B2K wasn't and was announced the same way. By attaching it to pre-orders it encourages buying new copies over used/sale copies.
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Alright ill rephrase we shouldnt have to pay 3-5$ a map and new weapons that could be created by players but they shot that down by taking out mod tools for more profit.

Yes, there is nothing else that that money is paying for rolleyes.gif
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Alright ill rephrase we shouldnt have to pay 3-5$ a map and new weapons that could be created by players but they shot that down by taking out mod tools for more profit.

Why not when it probably costs them a lot more to develop them? And although there are some really good modders out there, it would take them a ridiculously long time to make maps of the same quality of those in BF3's DLC, especially ones such as the Aftermath and End Game maps which were extremely well done.

As far as mod tools go, it wasn't really about making more profit, but the fact that they would have to pay out quite a bit for licensing third party tech. that would provide no return. You could say it might have sold more copies of the vanilla game, but the amount would be so small that it really wouldn't be worth how much they would have to pay out.
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The chinese will probably use the weapons they just stole from us.
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The chinese will probably use the weapons they just stole from us.

for real. actually they kind of already are-most chinese weapon designs are reverse engineered american and russian designs.

they should just make the original campaign about china too. but instead of shooting you would just do a bunch of cyber espionage
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Why not when it probably costs them a lot more to develop them? And although there are some really good modders out there, it would take them a ridiculously long time to make maps of the same quality of those in BF3's DLC, especially ones such as the Aftermath and End Game maps which were extremely well done.

You might be right and I just don't realize how hard they work to make a couple of maps. I'm not in the business its just hard to justify it as a consumer considering they're making millions off the game alone.

There was also a time when DLC was free and games were cheaper so it feels like a cash grab.

Sorry I had to delete part of your response my phone just doesn't comply with OCNs mobile interface. Its a struggle to make a post lol
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You might be right and I just don't realize how hard they work to make a couple of maps. I'm not in the business its just hard to justify it as a consumer considering they're making millions off the game alone.

There was also a time when DLC was free and games were cheaper so it feels like a cash grab.

Sorry I had to delete part of your response my phone just doesn't comply with OCNs mobile interface. Its a struggle to make a post lol

It's not only very expensive (again, they use quite a bit of third party software), but a very complicated process. There's a forum thread floating around where a few of the developers go really into detail about the process and it falls in line with why they haven't developed mod tools for the FB engine. If I can find it, I will post the link.

If you actually look at the history of video game prices, you'll find that games aren't actually more expensive, but can even be considered cheaper. This is the case despite the fact the cost of development has increased quite a bit.

Personally, I judge how much a game is worth to me by how much time I'm going to spend playing it. If I can get at least 1 hour per dollar spent, it's worth the money I spent on it. In BF3's case, I got a lot more than my money's worth.
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You might be right and I just don't realize how hard they work to make a couple of maps. I'm not in the business its just hard to justify it as a consumer considering they're making millions off the game alone.

There was also a time when DLC was free and games were cheaper so it feels like a cash grab.

Sorry I had to delete part of your response my phone just doesn't comply with OCNs mobile interface. Its a struggle to make a post lol

Game prices have fallen compared to inflation.

Game developer salaries have risen compared to inflation.

See the problem?

Oh, and before someone says pay developers less, it is a great idea. Especially that part where their skill sets are already adapted to about a dozen fields that have competitive pay to what they're currently making and paying them less would see an exodus of talent from the industry. rolleyes.gif
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Game prices have fallen compared to inflation.

Game developer salaries have risen compared to inflation.

See the problem?

Oh, and before someone says pay developers less, it is a great idea. Especially that part where their skill sets are already adapted to about a dozen fields that have competitive pay to what they're currently making and paying them less would see an exodus of talent from the industry. rolleyes.gif

Well for God's sake lets hope that their salary raise doesn't justify paying to play otherwise that will be a future model of all games. But yes i see the problem wink.gif
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