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And seriously what's the point of pre-ordering to get the «free» DLC; we all know that people who buy bf4 will have to shell out an extra 50$ for the premium bullcrap anyway.


Call of Battlefield XXIV : Black China 8 of the Rising Warfare.

Exactly, the day they announced "Premium" was the day I gave up on BF3.
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Did you just compare Battlefield 2's expansion to these DLC? Seriously? The Booster Packs (Euro Force and Armored Fury) == current DLC. 'Special Forces' was much more than these DLC.

If people can't tell the difference between DLC (which technically can be anything as long as it's downloadable) and a proper expansion, then I pity them.

And Bad Company 2 had free map packs. And considering current Battlefield 'DLC' is nothing but half a dozen maps with recycled assets and maybe, maybe, a new weapon skin, sorry, new weapon, and a new vehicle skin, sorry, new vehicle, is it really that CRAZY to expect them for free, or CHEAPER?


But no amount of facts will ever change the minds of the DLC defenders and apologists. *sigh*

Oh so you already seen what's in the DLC? How'd you get such exclusive access?
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really? how come bethesda manages to dev tools out to players everytime? why were devs in the past always able to?

i'm not saying releasing such tools is free, but to say that it is somehow prohibitively expensive, well it obviously isn't. which is why it is simply intentionally avoided to make us pay $5 for a map, when in the past we would have gotten it for free

It's not just expensive to do, though. DICE doesn't just use an all-in-one package like Bethesda does for creating their game worlds and some of the software wouldn't easily be re-licensed out, even with a bunch of money. The Frostbite engine and Gamebryo/Creation engine are very different and one is a lot more complicated than the other. There are just a lot of factors for why we haven't seen any form of a mod tools for the Frostbite engine.. yet. From what I understand, it's actually something that's brought up quite often at DICE and they simply want to do it right, which will take a lot of time, money, and resources. It's something we might actually see in the future, though.

On the topic of DLC/Premium prices.. Honestly, $50 is a hell of a deal for pretty much doubling the amount of multiplayer content in the game. It's really not much different than how much content you got for BF2 when getting the expansion+boosters. The big difference being that a lot more work and money goes into these DLCs. Premium was also an excellent solution to not completely splitting the community with DLC. Instead of having a bunch of people mixing and matching DLC, you have a lot of people simply paying for one whole package. If you were lucky, you got it for a lot less than $50 too. I only paid $25.

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Did you just compare Battlefield 2's expansion to these DLC? Seriously? The Booster Packs (Euro Force and Armored Fury) == current DLC. 'Special Forces' was much more than these DLC.

If people can't tell the difference between DLC (which technically can be anything as long as it's downloadable) and a proper expansion, then I pity them.

And Bad Company 2 had free map packs. And considering current Battlefield 'DLC' is nothing but half a dozen maps with recycled assets and maybe, maybe, a new weapon skin, sorry, new weapon, and a new vehicle skin, sorry, new vehicle, is it really that CRAZY to expect them for free, or CHEAPER?


But no amount of facts will ever change the minds of the DLC defenders and apologists. *sigh*

Recycled assets? Considering your stance against DLC, I'm assuming you haven't actually played any of the new maps. There are quite a few new assets. Heck, Back To Karkand had to have every one of its maps recreated for the Frostbite engine. It wasn't as easy as just copy and pasting everything.

Yes, you are crazy and have entitlement problems if you expect the DLC to be free or even cheaper. It wasn't just a new weapon skin here and a new vehicle there. There's 20 new maps, 10 new vehicles, 21 new weapons (or 20 + 1 gadget that's pretty much a weapon) and a few other things here and there. You get a lot of content for your money.

and no.. I'm no DLC defender/apologist. I would never pay the same price for CoD DLC which contains a lot less content.

I really like this quote.

“The reason people find it so hard to be happy is that they always see the past better than it was, the present worse than it is, and the future less resolved than it will be.”
Edited by moocowman - 5/31/13 at 8:22am
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Exactly, the day they announced "Premium" was the day I gave up on BF3.

Yea I would have given up to....Shame on them for giving you a chance to save 15 bucks on an expansion....

They should totally made everyone pay 15 bucks for each expansion and not given people who would want all 5 a chance at a discount....SHAME ON THEM INDEED...
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It's not just expensive to do, though. DICE doesn't just use an all-in-one package like Bethesda does for creating their game worlds and some of the software wouldn't easily be re-licensed out, even with a bunch of money. The Frostbite engine and Gamebryo/Creation engine are very different and one is a lot more complicated than the other. There are just a lot of factors for why we haven't seen any form of a mod tools for the Frostbite engine.. yet. From what I understand, it's actually something that's brought up quite often at DICE and they simply want to do it right, which will take a lot of time, money, and resources. It's something we might actually see in the future, though.

you honestly think that they will release those tools, even though they are talking about bf4 now?

if it's so expensive and complex, how come people have managed to create custom maps even without official tools? what a joke.

honestly, they just want to milk players in the same way cod does, they want players to spend $60+ a year on maps that they would have otherwise gotten for free from other players. hey, ea executives have to justify their bloated bonuses somehow. that's what you get in america, where executives have zero social conscience.
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I sure missed the days of getting free updates.

Now DLCs are being made before the game is even done.
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you honestly think that they will release those tools, even though they are talking about bf4 now?

if it's so expensive and complex, how come people have managed to create custom maps even without official tools? what a joke.

honestly, they just want to milk players in the same way cod does, they want players to spend $60+ a year on maps that they would have otherwise gotten for free from other players. hey, ea executives have to justify their bloated bonuses somehow. that's what you get in america, where executives have zero social conscience.

What custom maps? The only mods I've seen are the color tweaker, server emulator, spectator mod, and a night time mod. The last two being kind of ghetto rigged.

All you're doing is speculating. It's simply what you want you to believe and for all you know, it's could be completely off base.
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All you're doing is speculating. It's simply what you want you to believe and for all you know, it's could be completely off base.

As are you. At least I am basing mine of precedent somewhat though. I mean there are current gen games out that currently allow mods-it can't be that expensive or prohibitively hard.

Your only evidence is EA's self serving statement that they can't do it.
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People are actually defending this?
LOL
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People are actually defending this?
LOL

people actually argue on the internet!?

who woulda known rolleyes.giftongue.gif
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