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people, the reason why the mobo blocks are not being designed for superior cooling anymore is because the mobo doesn't really get too hot, unlike the old days.

I know but come o ne it is new platform so we expected new design no re-vamped things look the other brands how well they did with the new z87 platform.
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Originally Posted by ghostrider85 View Post

people, the reason why the mobo blocks are not being designed for superior cooling anymore is because the mobo doesn't really get too hot, unlike the old days.

I know but come o ne it is new platform so we expected new design no re-vamped things look the other brands how well they did with the new z87 platform.
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Originally Posted by ghostrider85 View Post

people, the reason why the mobo blocks are not being designed for superior cooling anymore is because the mobo doesn't really get too hot, unlike the old days.

I know but come o ne it is new platform so we expected new design no re-vamped things look the other brands how well they did with the new z87 platform.
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post #44 of 50
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A club? thinking.gif

Sounds like it would make a very interesting thread to read. I can imagine many ppl raging over this "club" you speak of. lol

"PSEUDO-HEATSINK?? Did this guy just insult my motherboard?!?! "

I just need a catchy name for it, somthing like "Motherboards Have Pants Heatsinks Club"
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people, the reason why the mobo blocks are not being designed for superior cooling anymore is because the mobo doesn't really get too hot, unlike the old days.

I wish that were true, when you start pushing the MHz's the VRM needs additional cooling, hell the Rampage IV needs needs to have the enzotech heatsinks on the back because the pseudo-heatsinks cannot keep up with the cooling as well a ghettoing fans to the VRM pseudo-heatsinks.

This is even a problem with the 3820 as well and 4.8GHz is where most VRM start to struggle and 4.8GHz is achievable on lot of the 3820s I have seen. The 3820 is a four cores. Now the 3930k is a six, that actually throttles on the Rampage IV the "overclocking board" when you start the OC.
post #45 of 50
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I just need a catchy name for it, somthing like "Motherboards Have Pants Heatsinks Club"
I wish that were true, when you start pushing the MHz's the VRM needs additional cooling, hell the Rampage IV needs needs to have the enzotech heatsinks on the back because the pseudo-heatsinks cannot keep up with the cooling as well a ghettoing fans to the VRM pseudo-heatsinks.

This is even a problem with the 3820 as well and 4.8GHz is where most VRM start to struggle and 4.8GHz is achievable on lot of the 3820s I have seen. The 3820 is a four cores. Now the 3930k is a six, that actually throttles on the Rampage IV the "overclocking board" when you start the OC.

what makes you think that "it cannot keep up"?
post #46 of 50
OK why did several x79 motherboards start throttling peoples 3930k CPUs when they overclocked them? but when they added watercooling or fans and heatsinks on the VRM on the back of the boards, it stopped or happened less?

Why was it people who got unstable OCs before putting fans on pseudo-heatsinks, but adding the fans and running the same tests on the same settings got stable OCs?

Sorry if this sounds like I am being patronising i don't mean too, I am just trying show you the problems.
post #47 of 50
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OK why did several x79 motherboards start throttling peoples 3930k CPUs when they overclocked them? but when they added watercooling or fans and heatsinks on the VRM on the back of the boards, it stopped or happened less?

Why was it people who got unstable OCs before putting fans on pseudo-heatsinks, but adding the fans and running the same tests on the same settings got stable OCs?

Sorry if this sounds like I am being patronising i don't mean too, I am just trying show you the problems.

Never heard of that, you got some links?
post #48 of 50
X79 is not in the same ball bark with Z87+Z77 when speaking of power consumption. Hell, even my UD3H has minimalistic VRM heatsink and it doesn't even get warm. The big chunky heatsinks are mostly for looks, so I can't see why so many are upset about their design. I suppose they can get in the way of bigger aircoolers.
Edited by Fulvin - 8/6/13 at 6:15am
post #49 of 50
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Originally Posted by ghostrider85 View Post

Never heard of that, you got some links?

For 3930k

Toms Hardware
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/271829-29-intel-3930k-clock-throttling

OCN
http://www.overclock.net/t/1379886/i7-3930k-overclocking-throttling-help/0_20
http://www.overclock.net/t/1376606/i7-3930k-constantly-throttling/0_20
http://www.overclock.net/t/1388229/3930k-help-with-getting-past-4-8ghz/0_20

Overclockers.com
https://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=707669

Asus website tongue.gif
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?34847-3930k-4-7Ghz-question

3820
http://www.overclock.net/t/1221208/i7-3820-overclock-club/3940_20#post_20545612
http://www.overclock.net/t/1221208/i7-3820-overclock-club/3940_20#post_20545666

"Haswell 4770k"
http://www.overclock.net/t/1399592/analysis-of-vrm-quality-on-z87-starting-with-mine/0_20#post_20182512

I didn't bother with AMD but we know from the reviews of the 5GHz CPU that it too was limited by the pseudo-heatsinks, that was mentioned in the reviews. The haswell one is not needed but the user felt the need to include them. I know the 3930k is a different beast but still it should have had good cooling to handle the heat produced from the clocks. The heatsinks could be smaller and lower profile than these silly bulky thinks they decided to clamp to a motherboard and they would be cooler.
post #50 of 50
I'm going to have to agree on these heatsink comments. I'm finding that ambient temps significantly determine clock ability and stability. That means everything else on the board needs cooling to make that happen.
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