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Hey guys, I'm new to the entire Overclocking scene and I joined this community to learn more and educate myself biggrin.gif I recently upgraded my Stock cooler to Thermaltake Frio OCK - It was the only one available in the market frown.gif. I really want to learn how to overclock and would appreciate any advices from you all!

System Spec:

CPU: Intel i7-930 @ 2.8Ghz
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake Frio OCK
Motherboard: x58-usb3
Ram: Silicon 4x2 GB X-Power (800Mhz?)
Windows 7 64bit.

My first question would be how come I'm still getting the same temperature with Thermaltake on Idle as I got with my stock cooler? I was hoping to get around mid 35C so I could overclock mine to atleast 3.5-3.8Ghz.

Anyways, throw any criticisms, advises at me and I'll take 'em all! biggrin.gif


-Ravenfraust
post #2 of 16
Welcome to OCN

What PSU do you have just curious
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I have a Gigabyte 600W PSU at the moment.

And also a Sapphire AMD 7870 OC
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I have a Gigabyte 600W PSU at the moment.

And also a Sapphire AMD 7870 OC

Which Gigabyte PSU?
I sure hope it is not a AcBel Polytech made PSU those are not very good to say the least
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Welcome Ravenfraust,

To start with the idle temperature generally doesn't change all that much with better coolers, I'm too tired to explain why but that's all you really need to know. It is the load temperature that matters.
The load is the amount of heat the CPU is creating while having 100% load on it, a good example of this is running Intel Burn Test, then watch your temperatures after a few minutes and you'll get an idea of your load temperature.

I can guarantee that it's much lower then your old load temperature, if it's not then there's something wrong!
Usually this means one of many things:
  • The thermal paste wasn't applied the best (too much or not enough)
  • There was a plastic cover/sticker on the base of the cooler and you haven't removed it (Rookie mistake!)
  • It's not screwed down tight enough/not making proper contact
  • The fan isn't spinning properly. (Cable isn't in properly?)
 
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Yeah, the sticker! I was about to put it and I removed it just at the last minute! I'm not really sure what type of PSU mine is tbh :/ It's 4 years old tongue.gif That's all I can say.

Yeah, I havn't tried running intel Burn test atm, too tired to do anything at the moment really but thanks a lot for your input! I'll check them tomorrow and post the temperetures biggrin.gif Although, how good is the Thermaltake frio OCK? I tried looking for the Prolimatech but couldn't find any at all frown.gif

And one last thing/s - Can I OC to about 3.5Ghz-3.8ish with this cooler? And is RAM OC necessary for CPU OC?

Thanks a lot in advance for your help biggrin.gif


-Ravenfraust.
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Yeah, the sticker! I was about to put it and I removed it just at the last minute! I'm not really sure what type of PSU mine is tbh :/ It's 4 years old tongue.gif That's all I can say.

Could you take a photo of the PSU

Not trying to be rude or insult you but it think that the PSU you have could be a bad one
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No problem! Here you are biggrin.gif

http://i42.tinypic.com/1zdrjpw.jpg
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Yeah, the sticker! I was about to put it and I removed it just at the last minute! I'm not really sure what type of PSU mine is tbh :/ It's 4 years old tongue.gif That's all I can say.

Yeah, I havn't tried running intel Burn test atm, too tired to do anything at the moment really but thanks a lot for your input! I'll check them tomorrow and post the temperetures biggrin.gif Although, how good is the Thermaltake frio OCK? I tried looking for the Prolimatech but couldn't find any at all frown.gif

And one last thing/s - Can I OC to about 3.5Ghz-3.8ish with this cooler? And is RAM OC necessary for CPU OC?

Thanks a lot in advance for your help biggrin.gif


-Ravenfraust.

I'm not too sure about x58 overclocking (That is anything that is an "Intel i7 9xx" basically). x58 is the chipset that your CPU runs on, another example is that my i5 3570k runs on a Z77 based chipset, but it can also be ran on a B75 chipset too in my case.

An i7 930 has a stock "multiplier" of 21, this can only be lowered and not increased on the i7 930. The stock FSB (Front Side Bus) is 133MHz, the FSB and the Multiplier are multiplied (heh, makes sense right?). So our stock frequency is 21 * 133 = 2800MHz, which is the same as 2.8GHz. We can increase the speed with a locked multiplier however by increasing the FSB. E.G 152 * 21 gives us 3192 which is close enough to 3.2GHz. But with this increase in clockspeed the CPU will need more voltage (most likely), so you will want to generally add more voltage to suit the clockspeed increase, this is different between each processor however, say person A's i7 930 needs 1.2v to run at 4GHz, and then person B's needs 1.3v to run the same 4GHz. It's just that person A has a better chip. So basically what I'm trying to say is you need to just do testing yourself.

To totally confuse you the FSB increases the RAM speed also, so you'll want to play with the RAM multiplier. I don't think that's what it's called but have a read and get your head around the whole FSB * Multiplier thing first, then go and have a look in the BIOS and just do small increments (Aim for 3GHz?) so you can see it at first and see the math behind it and understand what is happening.

Another thing to add is that a few runs of Intel Burn Test doesn't mean stable, you'll want to use prime95 to test it for stability for at least 12 hours. (That is how long I test myself), but don't go wasting money on power until you're happy with the final settings.

Programs you'll need:
CPU-Z - To check the clockspeed of the CPU, other things can also be checked here too.
Some form of temperature monitoring, but I assume you already have one.
Intel Burn Test as I mentioned earlier.
Prime95

The Frio OCK is an alright cooler, as you know it's not the best but there are worse out there. (Stock...) Obviously it depends on your processor as to how far you go, but I think you should be able to run it at 4GHz if not extremely close. That's no guarantee though! smile.gif

Have a read through that guide before you do anything, well at least get the hang of
 
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No problem! Here you are biggrin.gif

http://i42.tinypic.com/1zdrjpw.jpg

Thats a Gigabyte Superb 610 watts unit made by AcBel Polytech

Sory to say this but i think this is the bigest weak spot in your PC

It is at least 5 years old and is not even 80 plus making it a very low efficiency unit
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FINAL THOUGHTS



The Gigabyte Superb 550P 450W has an acceptable overall build quality for a low-end unit. This is not a bad PSU, it will not blow up in your faces or damage any component of your computer, but its design is certainly very outdated and low.

While the exterior of this unit is perfectly serviceable (it looks nice with its black finish and fully sleeved cables), once we move to the interior the unit really begins to look long in the tooth as the primary side lacks Active PFC. Although Gigabyte has tried to improve the performance of the unit selecting some quality components as Japanese electrolytic capacitors from Nippon Chemi-Con on the primary, the rest of the components are far from top notch. This unit should be cheap to build, so, in our opinion, this PSU should be very much a lower cost unit.

Moreover, unfortunately, this unit lacks any 80 Plus Certification from Ecos Consulting, which represents less than a minimum nowadays, and it is covered by only 2 year warranty, which is a very low period of time.

Concerning the cables, they are very short, so this unit is not a good choice if you plan to install it in a big case.

At the current price of 50€ (Spain) the Gigabyte Superb 550P 450W is certainly more pricey than a lot of other options available on the market. It was a interesting PSU in 2007 but, nowadays, it is not a rival in the low-end PSU market. Gigabyte can do it much better.

http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page17192.htm
Edited by shilka - 5/29/13 at 11:50am
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