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post #21 of 25
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Originally Posted by Stay Puft View Post

That was member "sin" posting a review I believe. I trust his judgment but I ran a 3770K on a pro 3 at 4.8ghz and 1.45v for months with no problems what so ever. Asrock z77 boards are solid and their z87 boards look phenomenal
I read most everything, don't bring me into this. I showed something was up with the board, and its the truth, just the facts. You also had a Pro3 and not a extreme4, believe it or not the Pro3 uses MUCh better MOSFETs than the Extreme4 for the Z77 lineup. ASRock for Z87 on their mainstream board is still using an ISL analog PWM, the ISL6379, and upgrade of ISL6367, probably more phases or making it more compatible with the new buses the board requires. A reviewer buddy of mine told me the voltage discrepancy is still there with what the board reads as the motherboard VRM output and what the VRM actually outputs, however ASRock is EXTREMELY lucky with Haswell as this doesn't matter much at all. Notice i said motherboard VRM. However becuase of how much I ragged on their MOSFETs and vreg last time, ASRock has made some big changes for their Extreme4 MOSFETs on their Z87 Extreme4.

Also I also don't think you should judge boards before release. But I also don't think the Extreme4 and D3H will be comparable, I expect all board prices to go up with their new features. Like the ASROck boards have their purity sound, which uses a new Realtek Codec( ALC1150 otherwise known by realtek as ALC900 which is one step higher than ALC898) and two audio AMPs, and the rest of the stuff they put on there should raise the price of the Extreme4 and Extreme6 by at least $10-20. Thus the D3H which doesn't have much selection change should be closer to the price it was last time, which would put the E4 and E6 in range of the UD3H and UD5H with price.
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post #22 of 25
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I read most everything, don't bring me into this. I showed something was up with the board, and its the truth, just the facts. You also had a Pro3 and not a extreme4, believe it or not the Pro3 uses MUCh better MOSFETs than the Extreme4 for the Z77 lineup. ASRock for Z87 on their mainstream board is still using an ISL analog PWM, the ISL6379, and upgrade of ISL6367, probably more phases or making it more compatible with the new buses the board requires. A reviewer buddy of mine told me the voltage discrepancy is still there with what the board reads as the motherboard VRM output and what the VRM actually outputs, however ASRock is EXTREMELY lucky with Haswell as this doesn't matter much at all. Notice i said motherboard VRM. However becuase of how much I ragged on their MOSFETs and vreg last time, ASRock has made some big changes for their Extreme4 MOSFETs on their Z87 Extreme4.

Also I also don't think you should judge boards before release. But I also don't think the Extreme4 and D3H will be comparable, I expect all board prices to go up with their new features. Like the ASROck boards have their purity sound, which uses a new Realtek Codec( ALC1150 otherwise known by realtek as ALC900 which is one step higher than ALC898) and two audio AMPs, and the rest of the stuff they put on there should raise the price of the Extreme4 and Extreme6 by at least $10-20. Thus the D3H which doesn't have much selection change should be closer to the price it was last time, which would put the E4 and E6 in range of the UD3H and UD5H with price.

The Pro3 uses better mosfets? lachen.gif What the heck ASRock and i meant no disrespect Sin. I bow to your wisdom and expertise.
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post #23 of 25
lol I am not god, sometimes I am wrong as well. But yea, the Z77 Pro3 and Z77 Pro4 both use decent LF-PAK MOSFETs, these are the evolution of the D-PAK, they have much better thermals and lower RDS ON and thus they can allow more current to pass and run cooler at the same time when compared to the D-PAK MOSFETs on the Z77 Extreme4. I think their train of thought was this: They didn't want to increase board costs, so they could have gone with more money in the heatsinks and less in the MOSFETs or more in the MOSFETs and less in the heatsinks, they chose the heatsinks because that is great for marketing, and believe it or not sales(and sometimes marketing) departments usually determine what features and parts the boards will have. With Z87 ASROck has given the Extreme4 the LF-PAK which should have been on Z77, and they upgraded the Z77 Extreme6 to the Co-Packaged(co package are two MOSFETs in a PowerPAK form and they are pretty good but you have to use good ones and usually use two per phase) MOSFEts that the Z77 OC Formula had, the Z77 OC FOrmula's VRM doesn't change much to Z87.

When i goto computex I will try to get a nice look at the boards to update my VRM list.
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post #24 of 25
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lol I am not god, sometimes I am wrong as well. But yea, the Z77 Pro3 and Z77 Pro4 both use decent LF-PAK MOSFETs, these are the evolution of the D-PAK, they have much better thermals and lower RDS ON and thus they can allow more current to pass and run cooler at the same time when compared to the D-PAK MOSFETs on the Z77 Extreme4. I think their train of thought was this: They didn't want to increase board costs, so they could have gone with more money in the heatsinks and less in the MOSFETs or more in the MOSFETs and less in the heatsinks, they chose the heatsinks because that is great for marketing, and believe it or not sales(and sometimes marketing) departments usually determine what features and parts the boards will have. With Z87 ASROck has given the Extreme4 the LF-PAK which should have been on Z77, and they upgraded the Z77 Extreme6 to the Co-Packaged(co package are two MOSFETs in a PowerPAK form and they are pretty good but you have to use good ones and usually use two per phase) MOSFEts that the Z77 OC Formula had, the Z77 OC FOrmula's VRM doesn't change much to Z87.

When i goto computex I will try to get a nice look at the boards to update my VRM list.

Since you're in VA, wanna take me to computex with you?

The fee's on you. biggrin.gif
post #25 of 25
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Originally Posted by Sin0822 View Post

lol I am not god, sometimes I am wrong as well. But yea, the Z77 Pro3 and Z77 Pro4 both use decent LF-PAK MOSFETs, these are the evolution of the D-PAK, they have much better thermals and lower RDS ON and thus they can allow more current to pass and run cooler at the same time when compared to the D-PAK MOSFETs on the Z77 Extreme4. I think their train of thought was this: They didn't want to increase board costs, so they could have gone with more money in the heatsinks and less in the MOSFETs or more in the MOSFETs and less in the heatsinks, they chose the heatsinks because that is great for marketing, and believe it or not sales(and sometimes marketing) departments usually determine what features and parts the boards will have. With Z87 ASROck has given the Extreme4 the LF-PAK which should have been on Z77, and they upgraded the Z77 Extreme6 to the Co-Packaged(co package are two MOSFETs in a PowerPAK form and they are pretty good but you have to use good ones and usually use two per phase) MOSFEts that the Z77 OC Formula had, the Z77 OC FOrmula's VRM doesn't change much to Z87.

When i goto computex I will try to get a nice look at the boards to update my VRM list.

I actually saw some great high res pics of the Z87 Extreme6 and it looks amazing. Might be my board
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