Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Rumors and Unconfirmed Articles › [xbitlabs] AMD Will Receive $60 - $100 for Every SoC for Next-Gen Game Consoles - Financial Analysts.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[xbitlabs] AMD Will Receive $60 - $100 for Every SoC for Next-Gen Game Consoles - Financial Analysts. - Page 2

post #11 of 156
Quote:
Originally Posted by Booty Warrior View Post

Yup. If what Nvidia's execs said is true, the actual profit margins on these will be extremely slim.

Even if the margin is small, its MARGIN, aka all profit. of course Nvidia would bash their rivals, they didnt turn down the contract, they were outbid by AMD, but you wont hear Nvidia say that.
The console chips may not rake in obscene amounts of cash for AMD, but any money is good money. There are thousands of companies that are very successful selling low margin items in bulk...
post #12 of 156
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyph3r View Post

Revenue, not profit. After R&D, manufacture, shipping etc, that 60-100 could be next to nothing in the grand scheme of things.
They have APUs on the market selling for much less $100ea, so I'm sure they'll still make a decent profit out of this.

Plus they'll gain new fanbois and publicity around the world out of it for sure, which will increase future sales globally.
Crimson Basilisk
(25 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel i7 2600K @ 5.1Ghz AsRock Extreme4 Gen3 Palit GTX 680 Jetstream 2GB Palit GTX 680 Jetstream 2GB 
RAMRAMHard DriveHard Drive
G.Skill F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL G.Skill F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL Sandisk Extreme 120GB SSD Sandisk Extreme 120GB SSD 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
WD Caviar "Black" 1TB SATAII LG WH14NS40 Blu-ray Burner XSPC Rasa CPU (Acetal) Black RX360 Triple Fan Radiator 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
XSPC DDC Two BayRes BMaverick Laing DDC (MCP350) Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Philips 201B 21" CRT 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
ViewSonic VX922 19" LCD Diamond Digital Black Antec True Power 750w Antec LanBoy Air Red 
MouseMouse PadAudioOther
Epic Gear Meduza (By GEIL) Steel Series QCK+ XL Asus Xonar DX ROCCAT Kave 5.1 Surround Sound Gaming Headset 
Other
Sennheiser hd555 
  hide details  
Reply
Crimson Basilisk
(25 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel i7 2600K @ 5.1Ghz AsRock Extreme4 Gen3 Palit GTX 680 Jetstream 2GB Palit GTX 680 Jetstream 2GB 
RAMRAMHard DriveHard Drive
G.Skill F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL G.Skill F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL Sandisk Extreme 120GB SSD Sandisk Extreme 120GB SSD 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
WD Caviar "Black" 1TB SATAII LG WH14NS40 Blu-ray Burner XSPC Rasa CPU (Acetal) Black RX360 Triple Fan Radiator 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
XSPC DDC Two BayRes BMaverick Laing DDC (MCP350) Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Philips 201B 21" CRT 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
ViewSonic VX922 19" LCD Diamond Digital Black Antec True Power 750w Antec LanBoy Air Red 
MouseMouse PadAudioOther
Epic Gear Meduza (By GEIL) Steel Series QCK+ XL Asus Xonar DX ROCCAT Kave 5.1 Surround Sound Gaming Headset 
Other
Sennheiser hd555 
  hide details  
Reply
post #13 of 156
in this profit Continue to 5 years from 2014 good job AMD
post #14 of 156
I'm going to guess that these are quite expensive chips to make. They're much larger than any other APU AMD makes. Actually the one in the xbone PCB image looks like it's above 400mm^2. They're pretty much the biggest thing AMD makes...

And they're selling them for 60-100.... If that doesn't sound like low profit margins I don't know what does.
 
Benching
(17 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
[i7 5960X @ 4.8GHz] [Rampage V Extreme] [Titan 1400MHz (1500MHz bench)] [Various] 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
[250GB 840EVO +2x SpinpointF3 1TB RAID0] [LD PC-V2 SS Phase Change] [XSPC X2O 750 pump/res] [Monsta 360 full copper + EK XT 360 + XT 240] 
MonitorPowerCaseAudio
[Crossover 27Q LED-P 1440p+ASUS 1200p+LG 1080p] [Corsair AX1200] [Dimastech Easy v3.0] [Sennheiser HD558s] 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
FX 8320, FX 8350, Phenom II x2 555BE i7 3930K, i7 860, i7 4770K, 68x Celeron D CVF, commando, 2x RIVE, Z87X-OC Asus 4870x2, Sapphire 4870 
GraphicsGraphicsGraphicsGraphics
2x 5870, 5850, 5830, 5770 2x 3870x2, 3870 GTX Titan, GTX 480, GTX 590 GTX 285, GTX 260, 4x 9800GT, 8800GTX 
RAMHard DriveCoolingCooling
4x4GB vengeance, 2x4GB predatorX, 2x1GB OCZ DDR2 Intel X25-M 80GB LD PC-V2 SS Phase Change OCN Marksman 
CoolingCoolingOSPower
2x old tek slims (GPU) Various watercooling stuff win7, winxp AX1200 
Case
test bench / cardboard box 
  hide details  
Reply
 
Benching
(17 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
[i7 5960X @ 4.8GHz] [Rampage V Extreme] [Titan 1400MHz (1500MHz bench)] [Various] 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
[250GB 840EVO +2x SpinpointF3 1TB RAID0] [LD PC-V2 SS Phase Change] [XSPC X2O 750 pump/res] [Monsta 360 full copper + EK XT 360 + XT 240] 
MonitorPowerCaseAudio
[Crossover 27Q LED-P 1440p+ASUS 1200p+LG 1080p] [Corsair AX1200] [Dimastech Easy v3.0] [Sennheiser HD558s] 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
FX 8320, FX 8350, Phenom II x2 555BE i7 3930K, i7 860, i7 4770K, 68x Celeron D CVF, commando, 2x RIVE, Z87X-OC Asus 4870x2, Sapphire 4870 
GraphicsGraphicsGraphicsGraphics
2x 5870, 5850, 5830, 5770 2x 3870x2, 3870 GTX Titan, GTX 480, GTX 590 GTX 285, GTX 260, 4x 9800GT, 8800GTX 
RAMHard DriveCoolingCooling
4x4GB vengeance, 2x4GB predatorX, 2x1GB OCZ DDR2 Intel X25-M 80GB LD PC-V2 SS Phase Change OCN Marksman 
CoolingCoolingOSPower
2x old tek slims (GPU) Various watercooling stuff win7, winxp AX1200 
Case
test bench / cardboard box 
  hide details  
Reply
post #15 of 156
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alatar View Post

I'm going to guess that these are quite expensive chips to make. They're much larger than any other APU AMD makes. Actually the one in the xbone PCB image looks like it's above 400mm^2. They're pretty much the biggest thing AMD makes...

And they're selling them for 60-100.... If that doesn't sound like low profit margins I don't know what does.

they can make it smaller with the same performance and lower cost after 1 or 2 years
the same thing was the xbox 360 cpu ...I remember I read it long time 2010
post #16 of 156
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brutuz View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Booty Warrior View Post

Yup. If what Nvidia's execs said is true, the actual profit margins on these will be extremely slim.

Keep in mind that nVidia cannot do an ultra fast APU like AMD can with x86, meaning they'd get paid less...AMD just threw some of its normal parts together with some small customization, R&D costs would also be mostly covered by sales of normal Jaguar and GCN based chips.

this.
post #17 of 156
well those numbers are higher than i expected which makes me wonder what everyone else is...where is the line between gross and net drawn?
no worries though, this is a nice stable income for AMD, something they need.
new life
(17 items)
 
Ripley
(6 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3820 @ 4.3giggles sabertooth x79 EVGA gtx 970 @ working on OC mushkin redline 16gb @ 1866 c9  
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
crucial m4 128gb WD blue 1tb hitachi deskstar 500gb WD Black 2tb 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Hitachi Desktar NAS 6tb LG Bluray royale with cheese seidon 240m win 10 x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
acer G245HDL x2 logitech g710+ corsair 650w switch 810 white 
Mouse
rat 7 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
i5-4200u HD 4400 8gb @ 1600mhz Crucial MX300 275gb 
OSMonitor
Manjaro 15.6" 1080p 
  hide details  
Reply
new life
(17 items)
 
Ripley
(6 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3820 @ 4.3giggles sabertooth x79 EVGA gtx 970 @ working on OC mushkin redline 16gb @ 1866 c9  
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
crucial m4 128gb WD blue 1tb hitachi deskstar 500gb WD Black 2tb 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Hitachi Desktar NAS 6tb LG Bluray royale with cheese seidon 240m win 10 x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
acer G245HDL x2 logitech g710+ corsair 650w switch 810 white 
Mouse
rat 7 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
i5-4200u HD 4400 8gb @ 1600mhz Crucial MX300 275gb 
OSMonitor
Manjaro 15.6" 1080p 
  hide details  
Reply
post #18 of 156
Quote:
Originally Posted by mltms View Post

they can make it smaller with the same performance and lower cost after 1 or 2 years
the same thing was the xbox 360 cpu ...I remember I read it long time 2010

Yeah of course, however we don't know if MS/Sony have made an agreement/contract with AMD about that already. Since consoles themselves go down in price after die shrinks. Most likely they'll make more over time but I doubt they'll always get the same amount of money either.
 
Benching
(17 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
[i7 5960X @ 4.8GHz] [Rampage V Extreme] [Titan 1400MHz (1500MHz bench)] [Various] 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
[250GB 840EVO +2x SpinpointF3 1TB RAID0] [LD PC-V2 SS Phase Change] [XSPC X2O 750 pump/res] [Monsta 360 full copper + EK XT 360 + XT 240] 
MonitorPowerCaseAudio
[Crossover 27Q LED-P 1440p+ASUS 1200p+LG 1080p] [Corsair AX1200] [Dimastech Easy v3.0] [Sennheiser HD558s] 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
FX 8320, FX 8350, Phenom II x2 555BE i7 3930K, i7 860, i7 4770K, 68x Celeron D CVF, commando, 2x RIVE, Z87X-OC Asus 4870x2, Sapphire 4870 
GraphicsGraphicsGraphicsGraphics
2x 5870, 5850, 5830, 5770 2x 3870x2, 3870 GTX Titan, GTX 480, GTX 590 GTX 285, GTX 260, 4x 9800GT, 8800GTX 
RAMHard DriveCoolingCooling
4x4GB vengeance, 2x4GB predatorX, 2x1GB OCZ DDR2 Intel X25-M 80GB LD PC-V2 SS Phase Change OCN Marksman 
CoolingCoolingOSPower
2x old tek slims (GPU) Various watercooling stuff win7, winxp AX1200 
Case
test bench / cardboard box 
  hide details  
Reply
 
Benching
(17 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
[i7 5960X @ 4.8GHz] [Rampage V Extreme] [Titan 1400MHz (1500MHz bench)] [Various] 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
[250GB 840EVO +2x SpinpointF3 1TB RAID0] [LD PC-V2 SS Phase Change] [XSPC X2O 750 pump/res] [Monsta 360 full copper + EK XT 360 + XT 240] 
MonitorPowerCaseAudio
[Crossover 27Q LED-P 1440p+ASUS 1200p+LG 1080p] [Corsair AX1200] [Dimastech Easy v3.0] [Sennheiser HD558s] 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
FX 8320, FX 8350, Phenom II x2 555BE i7 3930K, i7 860, i7 4770K, 68x Celeron D CVF, commando, 2x RIVE, Z87X-OC Asus 4870x2, Sapphire 4870 
GraphicsGraphicsGraphicsGraphics
2x 5870, 5850, 5830, 5770 2x 3870x2, 3870 GTX Titan, GTX 480, GTX 590 GTX 285, GTX 260, 4x 9800GT, 8800GTX 
RAMHard DriveCoolingCooling
4x4GB vengeance, 2x4GB predatorX, 2x1GB OCZ DDR2 Intel X25-M 80GB LD PC-V2 SS Phase Change OCN Marksman 
CoolingCoolingOSPower
2x old tek slims (GPU) Various watercooling stuff win7, winxp AX1200 
Case
test bench / cardboard box 
  hide details  
Reply
post #19 of 156
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyph3r View Post

Revenue, not profit. After R&D, manufacture, shipping etc, that 60-100 could be next to nothing in the grand scheme of things.

You have to figure that the R&D expenses have already hit AMD. Also, $60-$100 is a pretty wide range, maybe this represents the different graphics component in each system. AMD will probably get a wider profit margin with the inevitable die shrink.
Mobile Gamer IV
(8 items)
 
  
CPUGraphicsRAMOptical Drive
i7 4710HQ Nvidia GTX 980m 8GB 16GB [2x8GB] 1600MHz Blu-ray Burner 
OSKeyboardPowerCase
Windows 8.1 x64 Steel Series Full-Color Programmable 230w Power Brick MSI GT72 DOMINATOR 
  hide details  
Reply
Mobile Gamer IV
(8 items)
 
  
CPUGraphicsRAMOptical Drive
i7 4710HQ Nvidia GTX 980m 8GB 16GB [2x8GB] 1600MHz Blu-ray Burner 
OSKeyboardPowerCase
Windows 8.1 x64 Steel Series Full-Color Programmable 230w Power Brick MSI GT72 DOMINATOR 
  hide details  
Reply
post #20 of 156
Quote:
Originally Posted by Booty Warrior View Post

Yup. If what Nvidia's execs said is true, the actual profit margins on these will be extremely slim.

You bet it wasn't.

Even if they got 5 bucks of actual profit per SoC, at 70 million units like the PS3 (as vampirr pointed out), it's still 350 million dollars of income during a 6-year span. Quite a healthy amount if you ask me!
Quote:
Originally Posted by thegreatsquare View Post

AMD will probably get a wider profit margin with the inevitable die shrink.

That's quite a nice point. Microsoft started selling consoles at profit once they shrunk to 65nm, and even more so when they stepped to the 45nm node Xenon currently is in.

It could also be the reason why the broad 60-100$ margin. 100 is on the current node, 60 is what they expect on further size reductions.
Edited by Artikbot - 5/30/13 at 5:06am
   
AGP bencher
(14 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen R7 1700 Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming 5 Sapphire HD 6950 2GiB 2x8GB KFA2 HOF DDR4-3600 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Crucial MX100 256GB Seagate 600 Series 240GB Seagate 7200.14 2TB Samsung F3 1TB 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EKWB Supreme HF XSPC Rasa GPU EK XT360 EK 4.0 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
W10 Pro LG IPS235 LG E2250V KUL ES-87 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
SF Leadex II 650W Lian Li PC-A05NB Logitech G9 Xonar DX 
AudioAudio
SMSL SA-S3+Technics CB-250 Sennheiser HD555 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
AMD A10-5700 Gigabyte F2A75M-HD2 G.SKILL Ares 2133 CL9 Hitachi 5K750 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Momentus .7 200GB Noctua NH-L9a Server 2012 R2 Standard AUO B156HW01 
PowerCaseOther
PicoPSU-80-WI-25V AIO Aluminium Handmade TP-Link Archer Something Something Wi-Fi AC 
CPUCPUCPUMotherboard
Core2Duo E6400 Core2Quad Q6600 Pentium Dual Core E5200 AsRock 4COREDUAL-SATA2 R2.0 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveOptical Drive
A dumpload of ancient AGP cards Kingston Value DDR2-667 CL4 2T @CL3 1T Seagate 160GB 7200.10 LG IDE DVD-ROM 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Ghettomade CPU waterblock 49cc 2stroke engine copper radiator WinXP SP2 32bit ProView 17" 
PowerCase
Tacens Radix V 550W Ghetto aluminium bench 
  hide details  
Reply
   
AGP bencher
(14 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen R7 1700 Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming 5 Sapphire HD 6950 2GiB 2x8GB KFA2 HOF DDR4-3600 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Crucial MX100 256GB Seagate 600 Series 240GB Seagate 7200.14 2TB Samsung F3 1TB 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EKWB Supreme HF XSPC Rasa GPU EK XT360 EK 4.0 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
W10 Pro LG IPS235 LG E2250V KUL ES-87 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
SF Leadex II 650W Lian Li PC-A05NB Logitech G9 Xonar DX 
AudioAudio
SMSL SA-S3+Technics CB-250 Sennheiser HD555 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
AMD A10-5700 Gigabyte F2A75M-HD2 G.SKILL Ares 2133 CL9 Hitachi 5K750 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Momentus .7 200GB Noctua NH-L9a Server 2012 R2 Standard AUO B156HW01 
PowerCaseOther
PicoPSU-80-WI-25V AIO Aluminium Handmade TP-Link Archer Something Something Wi-Fi AC 
CPUCPUCPUMotherboard
Core2Duo E6400 Core2Quad Q6600 Pentium Dual Core E5200 AsRock 4COREDUAL-SATA2 R2.0 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveOptical Drive
A dumpload of ancient AGP cards Kingston Value DDR2-667 CL4 2T @CL3 1T Seagate 160GB 7200.10 LG IDE DVD-ROM 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Ghettomade CPU waterblock 49cc 2stroke engine copper radiator WinXP SP2 32bit ProView 17" 
PowerCase
Tacens Radix V 550W Ghetto aluminium bench 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Rumors and Unconfirmed Articles
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Rumors and Unconfirmed Articles › [xbitlabs] AMD Will Receive $60 - $100 for Every SoC for Next-Gen Game Consoles - Financial Analysts.