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At least PlayStation 4 can emulate PS1/PS2 games biggrin.gif

Source. Now. This is important.
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This is the beginning of the end for CUDA and x86. No longer will companies fall for paying for proprietary property. Open source is king,and AMD will prevail. thumb.gif
Uh huh, and it's finally the year of Linux on the desktop.

... For anyone who is in the know at all, it is. So I hope that wasn't sarcasm.
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post #102 of 156
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Actually revenue is before overhead. Net profit is after expenditures. I doubt AMD has a net profit of 60-100 Net profit for each SoC. They way underbid on that project, almost to the point of being self defeating.

you don't understand. these are semi-custom System On Chip designed for Sony and Microsoft. MS and Sony pay for the SOC development cost separately (maybe in the form of milestone payments). After that Sony / MS pay the per SOC cost of USD 60 - USD 80. AMD has no overheads because they are all paid for. obviously AMD's Jaguar and GCN are the building blocks which Sony / MS pay for in the form of the 20% margins for the finished chip. AMD is not going to give their x86 core and GPU for free.

if USD 1.2 - 1.75 billion dollar revenue per year and USD 250 - 350 million profit per year is self defeating , you need to re-think. Tegra annual revenue has still not reached a billion dollars for Nvidia and their margins on Tegra are much lower than Geforce, which in turn is much lower than Tesla / Quadro . Tegra margins could be 20%.
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xbox and the xbox 360 are 2 different consoles.

Oh, I thought he meant X360. Sorry! redface.gif
   
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post #104 of 156
It's good to get their name out there too. This will be huge for AMD as some of us are much more aware and interested in what is in these machines. If the consoles are successful it will give AMD a good name and any business is good business. I'm sure most of the people at AMD would rather have their jobs then not at all if none of these projects had been taken on. I just don't forsee them not making money on this these consoles will sell 1+ million units!
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post #105 of 156
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This is the beginning of the end for CUDA and x86. No longer will companies fall for paying for proprietary property. Open source is king,and AMD will prevail. thumb.gif
What's wrong with a proprietary ISA?
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Revenue, not profit. After R&D, manufacture, shipping etc, that 60-100 could be next to nothing in the grand scheme of things.

R&D yes but I doubt AMD is a partner behind the manufacturing. They probably have the designs for the parts licensed out to Microsoft and Sony while those companies contract semicon manufacturers to manufacture the parts. It wouldn't make a lot of sense for either MS/Sony or AMD to agree to any sort of manufacturing contract when none of those companies does any manufacturing. Take for example, the 360's Xenon processor. Different revisions of it was manufactured by different companies - IBM, Chartered, and GF.
Edited by geoxile - 5/30/13 at 8:30pm
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I doubt AMD is making $60-100 a chip for a license to manufacture. That price is certainly for the delivered chip itself.
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That's only because you don't understand "creeping decimalism". When you were younger, $5 was a lot of money, then when you were a teenager $25 a week was a lot, then when you got your first real job and got $400 a week, that was a lot, then when you paid $6,000 for a used car that was a lot, then $200,000 for a house, that seemed like a lot.

Fact of the matter is, while $350 million seems like a lot of money, it isn't. Not when that is PRE-TAX and you still have to pay R&D costs, electricity, pay for buildings, insurance, salaries, insurance, health insurance, pens, paper, pencils, computers, desks, travel expenses, shipping charges, buying boxes, crates, etc, etc, etc.

It gets eaten up REAL FAST when you have to do care and feeding of over 10,000 employees (that's $35,000 per employee).

The fact of the matter is... that $350million would be after most of those costs you listed.
So yes it is quite a big number.
And seeing as AMD is in ALL of the consoles... that 350m would be a very VERY low estimate.
post #109 of 156
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R&D yes but I doubt AMD is a partner behind the manufacturing. They probably have the designs for the parts licensed out to Microsoft and Sony while those companies contract semicon manufacturers to manufacture the parts. It wouldn't make a lot of sense for either MS/Sony or AMD to agree to any sort of manufacturing contract when none of those companies does any manufacturing. Take for example, the 360's Xenon processor. Different revisions of it was manufactured by different companies - IBM, Chartered, and GF.

The problem with your scenario is that AMD isn't able to sub-license x86-based chips to other companies due to their patent licensing deal with Intel. As such, AMD must be in charge of the fabrication of the PS4 and XBone SoCs.

Remember that took renegotiation of the Intel licensing deal just to ensure that AMD could even have a separate company (e.g. GloFo) manufacture its x86 desktop chips after they sold off all their fabs. As such, the legal encumbrances are much more complicated this time around than with previous console micro-architectures.

In short, AMD can pay GloFo or TSMC to actually manufacture them and then supply them to Sony/MS, but they can't just sell the designs to Sony/MS and leave them in charge of manufacturing the chips.
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Source. Now. This is important.

While I don't have a source it seems probable, I mean it wouldn't be hard to make one (Especially since a good one already exists) that would run on the PS4.
    
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