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It's too bad people are so biased against AMD. If you think hard enough about it they're just laying the foundation for now.

Seven consecutive years of failure will do that to a company's reputation. They still haven't gotten over that one terrible week back in 2006. To wit:

July 24, 2006: AMD severely overpays to buy ATI at a cost of $5.4 billion, and has to write down over half of that acquisition's value over the next two years. Currently, AMD trails NVIDIA by a 65% to 35% ratio in discrete card sales.

July 27, 2006: Intel launches the Conroe architecture "Core 2 Duo" chips, which marked both the end of the NetBurst era and also AMD's competitiveness in CPU performance. No chip released by AMD since has reached parity with then-current Intel designs.
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Not at all. Nvidia made $400 million dollars on the xbox within the first MONTH. When it came to the PS3, they only made $500 million over a 5 year period....

AMD has negative cash flow. Anything that gives money to them is a good thing.

Also, how could nVIDIA make money with the X360 if the processor was an IBM and the GPU was Radeon based?

xbox and the xbox 360 are 2 different consoles.
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Please read my post a few pages back. AMD has forced all game developers (besides WiiU) to program for HSA. Not only that, but PS4 will use the open source versions (openCL) and MS will further develop DirectCompute, and it's all going to be built around AMD HSA.

There will be more HSA accelerated games in the first year of PS4 and Xbone selling consoles than CUDA accelerated games have been created.

Given AMD's long term goals of HSA, getting PS4 and Xbone would be wise, even if they were losing money.

Let me put this on the theoretical other foot. Nvidia gets the big two consoles, all of them are CUDA accelerated GPUs, and Sony and MS have plans to use the GPGPU acceleration. Would that not be amazing for CUDA?

AMD is going to advance HSA, get software optimized for their hardware, and make money doing it. Contrast this with TWIMTBP or Intel where they pay people to optimize for their hardware.

It's too bad people are so biased against AMD. If you think hard enough about it they're just laying the foundation for now.

This is the beginning of the end for CUDA and x86. No longer will companies fall for paying for proprietary property. Open source is king,and AMD will prevail. thumb.gif
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Both companies scraped backwards compatibility before though:
XBox (x86) => XBox 360 (POWER) => Xbox One (x86)
PS1 (MIPS) => PS2 (MIPS) => PS3 (POWER/Cell) => PS4 (x86)

Yeah it's not a MUST HAVE feature, but it's a desirable feature. Also notice both MS and Sony scrapped backwards compatibility for this coming gen, now imagine if only one of them retained backwards for the next-next-gen (heh). That console maker would have a huge advantage.
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Even if they do not make any profit on these chips, it means that the process and the design (since these are still Bobcat cores) will get more mature. Therefore, yield should improve and that should mean a small profit on console SOCs and a larger profit on regular CPUs, isn't that right?
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Even if they do not make any profit on these chips, it means that the process and the design (since these are still Bobcat cores) will get more mature. Therefore, yield should improve and that should mean a small profit on console SOCs and a larger profit on regular CPUs, isn't that right?

They are jaguar,not bobcat.
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AMD has negative cash flow. Anything that gives money to them is a good thing.

Also, how could nVIDIA make money with the X360 if the processor was an IBM and the GPU was Radeon based?

He was talking about the first Xbox. Nvidia developed and sold a custom graphics chip based on one or another of their existing/in development IPs to Microsoft(just like AMD is doing now). The crazy thing is that they made ginormous amounts of money from a 23 million sold console base(we don't know the number of manufactured/shipped consoles), nothing near Xbox360 or Ps3 manufactured/shipped/sold numbers. Factoring in the decline of the economy and also AMD being in financial need, their profit per chip won't be as high as that of Nvidia with the first Xbox, but there's nothing on the table that can lead us to think they're making those chips for pennies.
    
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Even if they do not make any profit on these chips, it means that the process and the design (since these are still Bobcat cores) will get more mature. Therefore, yield should improve and that should mean a small profit on console SOCs and a larger profit on regular CPUs, isn't that right?

Actually, AMD's using Jaguar cores for these console SoC designs. Since their mainstream desktop products (both APUs and FX) use Piledriver cores currently (and presumably Steamroller cores in the future), there won't be as much "synergy" in that sector of their lineup.
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Yeah it's not a MUST HAVE feature, but it's a desirable feature. Also notice both MS and Sony scrapped backwards compatibility for this coming gen, now imagine if only one of them retained backwards for the next-next-gen (heh). That console maker would have a huge advantage.

On the contrary, I believe that the company that kept backwards-compatibily would be at a massive disadvantage in this generation.

One thing that every developer clamored for in this next generation of consoles was x86-based architecture for ease of programming. If either Sony or MS had stayed on the same micro-architecture (or even a largely-simlar one) this time around, all the 3rd-party developers would have jumped ship to the other side.
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This is the beginning of the end for CUDA and x86. No longer will companies fall for paying for proprietary property. Open source is king,and AMD will prevail. thumb.gif

CUDA has a huge presence in the HPC market. Last GTC Nvidia had over 90% marketshare.

Just because something is open source doesn't mean that it will get adopted as the standard. Nvidia pushed and supported CUDA well enough that it got adopted as pretty much the industry standard. We're going to be stuck with cuda for a long time.
 
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This is the beginning of the end for CUDA and x86. No longer will companies fall for paying for proprietary property. Open source is king,and AMD will prevail. thumb.gif

Uh huh, and it's finally the year of Linux on the desktop.

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