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You means GTX570 and GTX590 that explodes? Thats what you call a refresh? I am sorry but you own the card i hate the most and the worst game i have ever owned. GTX470 for me was a lie.

Why do you hate it so much?

I run mine at 800 / 1800, it never goes over 70C, and is very quiet. I saw no reason to upgrade to 570 / 580, considering I was getting 570 stock performance with my card OC'ed.

I've yet to come across a game I can't play, ( when I actually play games ). It does very well for me in Adobe Premiere which is its primary use, something the 5870 wasn't even an option for. I also only paid $275 for it when I got it, and until recently haven't really felt compelled to upgrade.

Only reason I'm looking at GPU options right now is because I'm building a 2nd rig, which the 470 will go into. wink.gif
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You means GTX570 and GTX590 that explodes? Thats what you call a refresh? I am sorry but you own the card i hate the most and the worst game i have ever owned. GTX470 for me was a lie.

GTX 470 was an awesome card considering that it OC'd like a dream, beat the 5870 after a driver update or two, had more memory than a 5870, had a bigger bus and so on.

There was literally nothing bad about it other than the fact that it was somewhat late and ran hot.
 
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yeah the HD 7970 Ghz cards might be costlier. but they all also come with 1GB extra VRAM which is important if you want to keep the card for 2 - 3 years.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6994/nvidia-geforce-gtx-770-review/3

"The wildcard in all of this will be the next-generation consoles, each of which packs 8GB of RAM, which is quite a lot of RAM for video operations even after everything else is accounted for. With most PC games being ports of console games, there’s a decent risk of 2GB cards being undersized when used with high resolutions and the highest quality art assets. The worst case scenario is only that these highest quality assets may not be usable at playable performance, but considering the high performance of every other aspect of GTX 770 that would be a distinct and unfortunate bottleneck."

also even if you don't play the 4 games which come along with HD 7970 Ghz you can sell them for 40 bucks. puts the price more around USD 410 - 420. and if you want the games its even more attractive.

the fact that the next gen consoles are GCN based also holds value as you can expect the games to perform well on HD 7970 Ghz. the superior bandwdith and compute performance is another added advantage. as game developers come out with next gen console games you will see these manifest.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6994/nvidia-geforce-gtx-770-review/15

" SystemCompute is our first C++ AMP benchmark, utilizing Microsoft’s simple C++ extensions to allow the easy use of GPU computing in C++ programs. DirectCompute is the compute backend for C++ AMP on Windows, so this forms our other DirectCompute test

System Compute is at least a little bit memory bandwidth sensitive, so GTX 770 pulls ahead of GTX 680 by 11%. Otherwise like every other compute benchmark, AMD’s cards fare far better here."

Problem is that 3GB might not be enough either. I remember doing AA and VRAM tests in the past and it's not like 2049MB of RAM immediately cuts FPS on 2GB cards. Chances are that when 2GB is insufficient, 3GB might be very well as well. I think memory bandwidth and rasterizers are much more important (which is still in favor of 7970 btw).

GTX 580 1.5GB and 6970 2GB will be both useless soon. Just as 1.5GB 480 and 1GB 5870 are.

About computations. It's also mostly because nVidia doesn't care about OCL that much currently, they want CUDA to prevail not some open standard that they don't profit from. Iaoi OCL outpaces CUDA in support by devs and the ecosystem grows, then you will see better performance on nVidia cards. This is not my own opinion, but actually what I heard from multiple OCL programmers and a contact I spoke (he's an MD programmer on OpenCL).
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I'm seeing mention of the 2gb of vram as being a negative, but actual testing I've seen (the Xbitlabs tests in particular)showed that the 4gb versions did not result in much added performance for the 6XX series, due to the gpu not having the grunt to make use of the extra vram, even at high resolutions. Is there good reason to think that this is no longer the case? Because presuming those results are valid, the 770 having 2gb of VRAM is of no concern, especially gaming at 1080p. I dont mind spending extra for the 4gb if it results in some future-resistance for upcoming games, but if the card cant push that extra vram, future software demands are irrelevant.
    
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You means GTX570 and GTX590 that explodes? Thats what you call a refresh? I am sorry but you own the card i hate the most and the worst game i have ever owned. GTX470 for me was a lie.

To this day, my GTX470 is my favorite card I ever owned. That card was a beast after the driver update and even beat the 5870. It ran a little hot, but other than that it was perfect. Now 470 SLI was another story. That setup turned my room into an oven!

GTX 770 only 10% slower than 780?
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To this day, my GTX470 is my favorite card I ever owned. That card was a beast after the driver update and even beat the 5870. It ran a little hot, but other than that it was perfect. Now 470 SLI was another story. That setup turned my room into an oven!

GTX 770 only 10% slower than 780?

He's the first person I've heard hate on the 470.

btw - the numbers are actually 12% slower than 480, I missed 2 games.

For me, considering both 780 & 770 have 1/24 FP32, I'm really leaning towards the 770 now for the price and since I'm only on 1080p.

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Yeah, I still have it. My zotac does 915MHz, which is somewhat above GTX 580 level and even stomped the 6970 that came a gen after it. It was about the same thing a 7950 does except that the 7950 doesn't beat the highest GPU of the competition a gen after it when OC'ed.
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Problem is that 3GB might not be enough either. I remember doing AA and VRAM tests in the past and it's not like 2049MB of RAM immediately cuts FPS on 2GB cards. Chances are that when 2GB is insufficient, 3GB might be very well as well. I think memory bandwidth and rasterizers are much more important (which is still in favor of 7970 btw).

GTX 580 1.5GB and 6970 2GB will be both useless soon. Just as 1.5GB 480 and 1GB 5870 are.

About computations. It's also mostly because nVidia doesn't care about OCL that much currently, they want CUDA to prevail not some open standard that they don't profit from. Iaoi OCL outpaces CUDA in support by devs and the ecosystem grows, then you will see better performance on nVidia cards. This is not my own opinion, but actually what I heard from multiple OCL programmers and a contact I spoke (he's an MD programmer on OpenCL).

Xbox One reserves 5GB for games. the rest is for the 2 OSes and other system software. game studios develop for lowest common denominator , in this case Xbox. so with 5GB for the game, 3GB for video RAM should be enough. also the compute benchmark that anandtech ran was SystemCompute which used Microsoft C++ AMP on DirectCompute . so irrespective of directcompute or opencl , HD 7970 is the far superior compute solution.
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Xbox One reserves 5GB for games. the rest is for the 2 OSes and other system software. game studios develop for lowest common denominator , in this case Xbox. so with 5GB for the game, 3GB for video RAM should be enough. also the compute benchmark that anandtech ran was SystemCompute which used Microsoft C++ AMP on DirectCompute . so irrespective of directcompute or opencl , HD 7970 is the far superior compute solution.

Again, that doesn't say anything without the proper ecosystem. For compute purposes, most people continue to use CUDA. You can't base "compute" performance of of one bench or theoretical data.

If that were the case, we had no use for professional cards. Support, devs adopting your tech, firmware and drivers determine the success. Until now, the only thing we see is CUDA growing in adoption and popularity (OCL is also growing though) and AMD abandoning their FireGL line with nVidia claiming the HPC cluster market. Only rivaled by Xeon Phi based supercomputers and Xeon E5 clusters

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10-15% slower but it costs $250 less compared to the 780. To be honest, performance-wise, the 780 should be priced at $550 and the Titan should come down to $850..

the 770's will sell like hotcakes

makes me want to skip on the 8 series and just swap the 570 for a 770..
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