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Originally Posted by Caples View Post

you see Metro only when you need to start a program, and it's fulfilling the exact same use as the start menu.

Except that it's not as good a start menu as the start menu.
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When you use the start menu you're not using the rest of the screen anyway

I can open programs with the start menu without ever taking my eyes off what I'm already doing, which is pretty important if I'm trading. I shouldn't need a whole display dedicated to a start screen if I want an uninterrupted view of what I'm working on. Yes, I know there are other ways to start programs, but most are not as convenient.
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Of course, you didn't really think that they would go back to the old menu, did you?

No.
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post #122 of 198
I think MS sort of missed the point with this. I know users kept saying they wanted the start button back, but did they really think that a tiny PNG image was all that was needed, rather than an actual start menu?
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Except that it's not as good a start menu as the start menu.
I can open programs with the start menu without ever taking my eyes off what I'm already doing, which is pretty important if I'm trading. I shouldn't need a whole display dedicated to a start screen if I want an uninterrupted view of what I'm working on. Yes, I know there are other ways to start programs, but most are not as convenient.
No.

Then set up a your own menu on the task bar. Secondly the only reason that you can do anything without looking is because of habit. If the start screen had been around for the past 20 years and W8 was the first installment of the start menu, you'd be saying the same thing...basically " I was so used to that, that I could do it without looking. mad.gif M$"
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post #124 of 198
I like my experience with Windows 8 and how it's set up. Hope the option for the start button / menu is optional as my preference is how it's right now.
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post #125 of 198
i really don't get why people use the start button so much, perhaps because i am used to linux and osx.

personally, with boot to desktop enabled, i will use w8 the same way i use windows 7, opening most programs from the dock. do most of you guys really use more than what fits on the dock anyway-i mean it seems like it would be faster and take fewer clicks to use the dock rather than start menu.

i'm just glad i don't have to sit through ms's forced advertisement for metro at startup anymore
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Will be too late for me. Gave a Win 8 Pro honest try for the past uhh .. 6 months or so but the nagging little things are a bit too annoying so I'm going back to Win 7 Pro in a week or so. You can sort of work around the shortcomings and theres some nice new things also but it just does not feel like a proper desktop op system. Things like getting slapped with metro from time to time across all 5 of my screens and such things.
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What computer are you using? The inability to access the bios in most Windows 8 computers is due to the enabling of the Fast Boot feature. Clearing the CMOS should reset the bios into disabling Fast Boot.

that worked! thanks!

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post #128 of 198
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that worked! thanks!

No problem.
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No, if you don't have the MB post, it has nothing to do with win8. That's definitely a hardware issue.

Windows 8 Fast Boot disables the normal bios startup sequence, bypassing it completely.
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Then set up a your own menu on the task bar.

It still wouldn't have the same level of functionality I can get on older OSes, not without 3rd party augmentation.
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Secondly the only reason that you can do anything without looking is because of habit. If the start screen had been around for the past 20 years and W8 was the first installment of the start menu, you'd be saying the same thing...basically " I was so used to that, that I could do it without looking. mad.gif M$"

I've been using Windows since long before their was a Start button/menu, and would prefer the old progman shell to Metro, even though I'm even more out of practice with it.

You are right though, there is an aspect of familiarity, and it's an important one. Change is bad, unless the thing you are changing to is actually better. There are few tangible advantages to the UI changes Windows 8 and 8.1 bring for desktop users, there are notable downsides.
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do most of you guys really use more than what fits on the dock anyway-i mean it seems like it would be faster and take fewer clicks to use the dock rather than start menu.

I don't like pinning programs to my start bar/dock, leaves less space to see the taskbar buttons that are up and running. The difference in clicks is marginal, (two vs. one) and I have the entire contents of my user folder and my computer/control panel within easy reach, with no extra clicks (relative to opening a program).
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post #130 of 198
I really don't see what people are complaining about.

Windows 8.1 allows you to bypass the start screen and go straight to the All Apps menu, which can now be reordered according to your exact specifications.

This is LITERALLY the exact same functionality of the old start menu. It just looks different, which is apparently upsetting for "power users".
    
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