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I don't like pinning programs to my start bar/dock, leaves less space to see the taskbar buttons that are up and running. The difference in clicks is marginal, (two vs. one) and I have the entire contents of my user folder and my computer/control panel within easy reach, with no extra clicks (relative to opening a program).

how many programs do you normally run? more than 5? do you have multiple browser windows open when you could have 1 with many tabs open?

i just don't see how the average person is going to run out of taskbar space. being able to access the control panel is nice, but probably not something you do every time you turn on your computer, so it's an extra click that is wasted. plus if you need to see the control panel, it can be done in two clicks without the start button anyway.
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I have 22 icons pinned to the taskbar, and it's just over half full on a 1920x1080 screen.

The way the Win7/8 taskbar works is genius, because the programs you have open don't take up any extra space as long as they're pinned.

Unless you have about 40 programs that you use on a daily basis, I really don't see how you can run out of space on the taskbar.
    
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Opinion.
Performance is not a matter of opinion. Either it performs better, or worse, and it is measurable.

The OS has much better optimization and the hardware/direct x acceleration of the desktop make everything much faster.
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Performance is not a matter of opinion. Either it performs better, or worse, and it is measurable.

The OS has much better optimization and the hardware/direct x acceleration of the desktop make everything much faster.

the performance difference in games is unnoticeable though. 1-2 fps is not noticeable.

sidenote, windows 8 would be much more appealing for $20-30 bucks. i don't see how in this day and age ms really expects people to pay $100+ for their os. i definitely know i'm not willing to pay that much for 2 fps
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the performance difference in games is unnoticeable though. 1-2 fps is not noticeable.

sidenote, windows 8 would be much more appealing for $20-30 bucks. i don't see how in this day and age ms really expects people to pay $100+ for their os. i definitely know i'm not willing to pay that much for 2 fps

Nobody's forcing you to.

I personally think it's worth it just because I can finally have a taskbar on my second monitor.
    
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the performance difference in games is unnoticeable though. 1-2 fps is not noticeable.

sidenote, windows 8 would be much more appealing for $20-30 bucks. i don't see how in this day and age ms really expects people to pay $100+ for their os. i definitely know i'm not willing to pay that much for 2 fps
Right, because the only thing that matters is your game. There are many other improvements to the OS than 1-2 fps in a game. Frankly, who cares about gaming. If you aren't doing anything but gaming, then you don't need 7 either.

Don't buy it then. In fact, with that logic you better not have paid for anything past windows vista.

In what world do you consider 20-30 bucks for an operating system with millions of lines of code, that took hundreds of engineers several years to build to be an acceptable deal? They are not in the business of giving away products, they exist to make money.
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Nobody's forcing you to.

I personally think it's worth it just because I can finally have a taskbar on my second monitor.

obviously, i just think the price is outdated considering ms no longer hold a monopoly in the os market.

and considering most oems pay far less-and most people only upgrade when they buy a new comp anyway, would lowering the price to spur sales really be a bad idea? it seemed to work with their upgrade offer at least
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Right, because the only thing that matters is your game. There are many other improvements to the OS than 1-2 fps in a game. Frankly, who cares about gaming. If you aren't doing anything but gaming, then you don't need 7 either.

Don't buy it then. In fact, with that logic you better not have paid for anything past windows vista.

In what world do you consider 20-30 bucks for an operating system with millions of lines of code, that took hundreds of engineers several years to build to be an acceptable deal? They are not in the business of giving away products, they exist to make money.

in a world in which linux, android, and ios get free updates. and osx costs about $30 per update? i mean i get that windows is different, but it should at least be in the same ballpark. especially considering the what oems pay is what the average consumer effectively pays anyway. i mean why should i pay substantially more just because i didn't buy a computer with it preinstalled?
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I don't like pinning programs to my start bar/dock, leaves less space to see the taskbar buttons that are up and running. The difference in clicks is marginal, (two vs. one) and I have the entire contents of my user folder and my computer/control panel within easy reach, with no extra clicks (relative to opening a program).
Marginal? That is a 100% increase, hardly marginal.

In the world of efficiency, even if something is 2 operations instead of one, that is atrocious. It is doubling the required resources.
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obviously, i just think the price is outdated considering ms no longer hold a monopoly in the os market.

and considering most oems pay far less-and most people only upgrade when they buy a new comp anyway, would lowering the price to spur sales really be a bad idea? it seemed to work with their upgrade offer at least
They don't have to lower the price, people buy it, they stay in business.

And they haven't been a monopoly in the OS market since someone decided they didn't want to pay for an OS and wrote the first open source one.
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obviously, i just think the price is outdated considering ms no longer hold a monopoly in the os market.

Well yeah, but almost all software from large companies is overpriced.

For instance, Adobe wouldn't have such a huge piracy problem if they priced their products reasonably.
    
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