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Awesome if true.

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Even if it have 768 GCN shaders (which I doubt), it won't match a discrete GPU that has same number of shaders. Look at trinity and Llano both are inferior to discrete card with same shaders

that is the result of limited memory bandwidth.

the A10 5800k'a GPU is on par with the DDR3 6670 but slower then the GDDR5 version.

if kaveri gets its dedicated GDDR5 then it would have no difference to the dedicated card. even a shared DDR4 would have helped significantly
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yessir.gif Dead as a doornail. Though, if you need a bit of an extra kick, you can always buy one of the x6xx cards for hybrid Crossfire madness. smile.gif

Even though they've completely killed the x6xx cards from the HD7 and HD8 range!!

AMD is really confident about their APUs. thumb.gif
   
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Even though they've completely killed the x6xx cards from the HD7 and HD8 range!!

AMD is really confident about their APUs. thumb.gif

What? No they haven't!!

**Checks Newegg and Amazon**

Dang it, he's right! tongue.gif

AMD, can I has 7790 performing APU? My HTPC is ready. biggrin.gif
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AMD is pushing GDDR5 as a system memory on desktops too.

Interesting certainly. And I just coughed up moneys for an LGA 2011 upgrade bcos of the quadchannel RAM. Nevertheless, even if they would suceed it would remain to be seen what would be the price per GB on these. Probably pretty steep for a start, however, if they could pull off some kind of hybrid system, say 4x DDR3 sockets + 2x GDDR5 sockets on mobo and all that with unified memory architecture it would be quite damn awesome hat trick. However, after the bulldozer disappointment I take AMD with grain of salt and believe it once I see interdependent benches.

Even if the silicon is "like 7790" (and I mean the desktop variant, not the mobile version) the lack of GDDR5 and having only 64 bit memory bus would castrate that performance most likely.

I'm not opposed to 250 W TDP btw. Your average closed loop can take 250 W with sort of acceptable delta and its manageable even with realtively cheap air coolers, say, for example 212+ which is damn good price/performance.
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Well, ask Microsoft how they'll be using theirs. Replace the 8 Jaguar cores with 2 Steamroller modules, and bam, you got what they claim.

But... I would expect a very high TDP out of this. 85w from the 7790 half alone, they would only have 40w to pack in the CPU half. A 6570 (close as I can find to a Trinity GPU) has about 60w TDP, meaning that Trinity would also have a 40w envelope for the CPU half, assuming we base it on the 5800k. The 5700 model manages to pack it into a (much) smaller envelope. Granted, IMC is shared, RAM doesn't count in that TDP, and so on, so that allows for slight cutting back.

... Assuming Steamroller has a similar TDP to Trinity, it is actually possible that they could pack a 7790 and 2 modules into one die, and have it fit in the 125w segment. Holy crap. drool.gif

On the other hand, the 7750 has a TDP of 55w. Much more reasonable to expect.

I'm not sure they'll do it though. It would be nothing short of awesome, but still, I'll set my sights on the much more reasonable to expect 7750-level performance. I doubt they want to go above 100w TDP anyway.
See above for estimations, but don't take it as law. We have almost no way of knowing how the TDP is spread.
They're doing 28nm for kaveri. What does that point to? And also power consumption has gone down on Richland. So yes, we'll expect like 30W CPU TDP while the GPU can eat all they want but i have a sneaky suspicion the APU team is waiting on the GPU process to stabilize and churn out an even lower TDP than aimed target. After all, Kaveri is for increased IPC and even more increased IPS (on top of increased IPC) and lowered power consumption at the same time
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It's because of HSA. The igp would be more useful than whatever segregated IGP Intel produces that only has capacity for quick sync.

And also unlike on Intel you don't need to shell out $300 for a decent IGP.
Indeed, indeed.
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That's a frankly ridiculous statement until proven otherwise, even if by some magic that AMD can stuff 2 steamroller modules and 14 GCN CUs + all the other logic required in a die that yield semi-decently and sell for <$300, this would absolutely necessitate GDDR5 RAM of some sort.
Read above. It's possible.
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It will.

FM2+ only adds GDDR5 support, as far as we know.
Because the clock generator for the main bus also serves as a clock generator for the VGA signal in most boards, meaning that an overclock of said bus throws the VGA off timing. Ergo, most boards disable FSB overclocking if you get video signal from the VGA. A bit weird if you ask me.
If it has 12 GCN compute units that should mean we'll be able to get 768 CUs on Kaveri... Which sits right between the HD7770 (640) and the HD7790 (896). It should be able to Crossfire with HD7790, if those specs are right.
Indeed. Indeed.
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Kaveri looks seriously impressive, AMD's APU's are the most interesting thing in PC tech over the past few years imho. In the next 3-5 years we will see APU's powerful enough for a lot of gamers to simply not need to buy dedicated GPU's. Saves power and cheaper. The future is fusion lol.
Just like what i said when i saw the future in 2004 ... I had a feeling AMD would launch a platform that combined the CPU+GPU on one die and being able to use both for computing and called it "Fusion" Damn, was i right! Nobody believed me ... I had even foreseen 28nm as the dominating process for AMD in 2013 for both CPUs+GPUs ... But i never foreseen something called "bulldozer" and "being crappy as hell"
Me & my crazy ideas in my younger actually foreseen the future ...
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I am really looking forward to upgrading to this. Would I be safe to assume this will allow me to max out any game at 720p with 60fps?
Yes. If one can nearly max out any game (not C3 of course. Forget about that one, higher end GPUs have trouble as well.) in 1080p with a 7850 i don't see why a supposedly "7790" will not do it and have more room to spare
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Even if it have 768 GCN shaders (which I doubt), it won't match a discrete GPU that has same number of shaders. Look at trinity and Llano both are inferior to discrete card with same shaders
How true is that? Look at 2133 benchmarks and you will know it.
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Interesting certainly. And I just coughed up moneys for an LGA 2011 upgrade bcos of the quadchannel RAM. Nevertheless, even if they would suceed it would remain to be seen what would be the price per GB on these. Probably pretty steep for a start, however, if they could pull off some kind of hybrid system, say 4x DDR3 sockets + 2x GDDR5 sockets on mobo and all that with unified memory architecture it would be quite damn awesome hat trick. However, after the bulldozer disappointment I take AMD with grain of salt and believe it once I see interdependent benches.

Even if the silicon is "like 7790" (and I mean the desktop variant, not the mobile version) the lack of GDDR5 and having only 64 bit memory bus would castrate that performance most likely.

I'm not opposed to 250 W TDP btw. Your average closed loop can take 250 W with sort of acceptable delta and its manageable even with realtively cheap air coolers, say, for example 212+ which is damn good price/performance.
I'm sure they're planning onboard GDDR5, like 1-2GB DDR5 onboard for 20$ extra and add the RAMs yourself ... They might have shaved off some pins to do that. PD needed alot of pins.
I would like to know who mentioned 250W TDP. They could certainly squeeze a 7950 and 3 module SR in there if they aimed for 250W TDP ... Better than a CPU+GPU though tongue.gif
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I would like to know who mentioned 250W TDP. They could certainly squeeze a 7950 and 3 module SR in there if they aimed for 250W TDP ... Better than a CPU+GPU though tongue.gif

Well 7790 is ~ 125W or so part and high end AMD CPU's are at 125 W so it was just simple speculation. What I was saying that I would be ok with a new TDP tier at 250W for combined CPU + GPU parts. Just throw two of these 8 pin's or 8 pin + 2x 6 pin around the CPU and assuming the heat conductivity is good enough out of the die the cooling can handle such loads. With the process shrink something like 4 module CPU + ~7850 series GPU should fit within 250W.
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Well 7790 is ~ 125W or so part and high end AMD CPU's are at 125 W so it was just simple speculation. What I was saying that I would be ok with a new TDP tier at 250W for combined CPU + GPU parts. Just throw two of these 8 pin's or 8 pin + 2x 6 pin around the CPU and assuming the heat conductivity is good enough out of the die the cooling can handle such loads. With the process shrink something like 4 module CPU + ~7850 series GPU should fit within 250W.
It's a 85W TDP part. dont know where you pulled that number out from.
For Trinity it's highly possible both of them are much lower TDP than what you see on the "discrete" parts. Like FX4300 + 6670. And also 7850 would already fit within 150W + another 40-50W that they can magically do with a quad-core PD because of shot-away L3
should give you 225W TDP
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Well 7790 is ~ 125W or so part
HD 7790 is a 85w part so basically a 125w apu altogether could be the best bet imo.
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o.O Well seems like my speculation was not that far off - http://www.overclock.net/t/1396488/sweclockers-amd-prepares-fx-9000-up-to-5-0-ghz - apparently AMD is planning to introduce 220 W TDP parts unless its a typo in there.

As far as 7790 TDP goes I must admit that I have not looked that one up but just took some number that seemed realistic based on the power connectors it has (PCIe socket + 1x 6 pin).
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