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o.O Well seems like my speculation was not that far off - http://www.overclock.net/t/1396488/sweclockers-amd-prepares-fx-9000-up-to-5-0-ghz - apparently AMD is planning to introduce 220 W TDP parts unless its a typo in there.

As far as 7790 TDP goes I must admit that I have not looked that one up but just took some number that seemed realistic based on the power connectors it has (PCIe socket + 1x 6 pin).

I'm betting typo.

Pretty hard to offer "5Ghz on air" at 220w TDP now isn't it? tongue.gif
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I'm betting typo.

Pretty hard to offer "5Ghz on air" at 220w TDP now isn't it? tongue.gif

Hehe. Well it might not be. If they bin these chips carefully they might, perhaps, be able to pull off that 4.8 GHz at approx 220 W although it would be a bit on the low side as far as I understand. It just seems like factory overclocked part to troll a bit Intel Haswell release. Most high end boards have no problem dealing with ~300W power draw for CPU. If you push it the power draw goes up pretty fast at some point. Even if this rumor is true I dont think they would expect to sell these parts in large volume.

Anyway, but back on APU subject. I think that with APU the main problem might be getting all that heat away from the die when the processes shrink any more. Intel sure seems to have some problems with that (well using TIM instead of solder does not help them a lot in that regard either) in their latest and smallest process chips. Without the heat consentration issues my guess would be that AMD would be quite capable dropping, say, 7950 equivalent into the APU. High end air coolers are kind of ok up to ~250 W I think. At least my Frio was rated for up to 275W I think (dont have the box at hand to look it up) - was just kind of loud at max speed. So as long as AMD could get that heat out of die to the cooling surface reliably the TDP numbers they are using currently sure has some headroom. Besides, even if you up the TDP to 300W and bejond all that changes is that your high end air coolers will be operating at larger delta T.

Edit: looked it up, it was actually rated for up to 220W TDP. The Frio I mean.
Edited by Carniflex - 6/1/13 at 1:17pm
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Well the frio does that with seriously loud fans ... High CFM i mean.
These TDP numbers mean nothing to the actual cooling power though. Deepcool Neptwin is 150W TDP and the Ice Blade V2 is 150W TDP as well but those 2 are monster air coolers capable of cooling well over 200W with the neptwin obviously being higher. I have my tests, i can prove it. Most of the time temperature doesn't scale so well with decreased TDP on air cooling as well if we're dealing with heatpiped towers
About the APUs, yeah, but mainly IB is suffering from temps issue not because of density but rather TIM. What a way to make heat density even worse (Lower heat conductivity)
With the APUs it's TIM'd but is it suffering from severe temps? Not really. Either AMD really knows what they're doing or their chips are producing a hella less heat
Remember Intel's 91C = AMD 67C
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Apparently GDDR5 and 3 modules aren't in the latest Kaveri developer documents. Perhaps no OEM uptake.
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Apparently GDDR5 and 3 modules aren't in the latest Kaveri developer documents. Perhaps no OEM uptake.

I'm sure they won't bottleneck it with a 128-bit DDR3 interface. Unless they are planning for super godly DDR3 then no.
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im actually more intested in the socket FT3 X2100 Series opteron APUs but these fm2+ cpus look nice im gessing they are backwards compatible with fm2 boards and fm2 cpus compatible with fm2+ boards otherwise they would have named them fm3?
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I'm sure they won't bottleneck it with a 128-bit DDR3 interface. Unless they are planning for super godly DDR3 then no.

Well, what else is there? DDR4 won't be mainstream until end of 2014 beginning of 2015. GDDR5 would need to be soldered on and limited to 4GB. No whispers of eDram.

If Kaveri fully implements the recent HSA standard then it might squeeze some better efficiency out of DDR3. With their Dataram partnership they can certainly offer specially binned DDR3 kits.
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Well, what else is there? DDR4 won't be mainstream until end of 2014 beginning of 2015. GDDR5 would need to be soldered on and limited to 4GB. No whispers of eDram.

If Kaveri fully implements the recent HSA standard then it might squeeze some better efficiency out of DDR3. With their Dataram partnership they can certainly offer specially binned DDR3 kits.

I think Kaveri will be a big NO NO for me if they skip GDDR5, Trinity/Richland is already extremly bandwidth starved with a ~26GB/s bandwidth with 2133MHz memory. The performance will have such a huge cut without something in the ways of PS4's 176GB/s bandwith. AMD have even said they will release PS4's APU without the Sony stuff to the public, if they hold this promise is something else tho. 4GB of GDRR5 will work anyday for me thumb.gif

Off topic: any1 know if DDR4 will use the same 128 bit bus?
Edited by Elevenate - 6/5/13 at 6:43am
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Ok, FM2+ but what about curren FM2?
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Well, what else is there? DDR4 won't be mainstream until end of 2014 beginning of 2015. GDDR5 would need to be soldered on and limited to 4GB. No whispers of eDram.

If Kaveri fully implements the recent HSA standard then it might squeeze some better efficiency out of DDR3. With their Dataram partnership they can certainly offer specially binned DDR3 kits.

I think Kaveri will be a big NO NO for me if they skip GDDR5, Trinity/Richland is already extremly bandwidth starved with a ~26GB/s bandwidth with 2133MHz memory. The performance will have such a huge cut without something in the ways of PS4's 176GB/s bandwith. AMD have even said they will release PS4's APU without the Sony stuff to the public, if they hold this promise is something else tho. 4GB of GDRR5 will work anyday for me thumb.gif

Off topic: any1 know if DDR4 will use the same 128 bit bus?

We don't use a 128-bit bus now...

We use two 64-bit busses. That's why we call it Dual Channel.

SB-e and all server chips use 4 64-bit busses, Quad Channel.
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