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I've installed Windows 8 for my family, who are completely tech illiterate. Show them around the interface for less than 5 minutes, they have absolutely no problems using it. They don't care whether they're using XP, Vista, 7, or 8, as long as it works (I have computers with all those systems still in use at my home).

We're always going to see comments like yours, a few people here and there who are totally fine with windows 8, but the consensus stands whether you agree or not.

People like yourself and your family are among the few who have no qualm with windows 8. What you fail to understand and accept is, not everyone is like you. You can't apply your experience upon everyone else.
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I've installed Windows 8 for my family, who are completely tech illiterate. Show them around the interface for less than 5 minutes, they have absolutely no problems using it. They don't care whether they're using XP, Vista, 7, or 8, as long as it works (I have computers with all those systems still in use at my home).

We're always going to see comments like yours, a few people here and there who are totally fine with windows 8, but the consensus stands whether you agree or not.

People like yourself and your family are among the few who have no qualm with windows 8. What you fail to understand and accept is, not everyone is like you. You can't apply your experience upon everyone else.
The irony... too strong...
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The irony... too strong...

I know right? The arrogance is nonsensical.
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Yes, it is, but are you sure you're replying to the post you wanted to ? Your post doesn't make sense when it's quoting that sentence from my last post. Pressing the Start button [in Windows 8.1] still takes you to the same place [as in Windows 8].

It's a prettier place, with the option to show the desktop background and more tile sizes (I think they should still add two more sizes, one using the space of 2x2 rectangular tiles horizontally, and one using the space of three rectangular tiles vertically), but it's still the Start screen.
Nope, I quoted the right post. Pressing the start button can be configured to bring you directly to all programs rather than the start screen now.
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Nope, I quoted the right post. Pressing the start button can be configured to bring you directly to all programs rather than the start screen now.

how?
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how?
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You can also configure the Start button to go straight to a new All Apps section, which can be sorted by different views to make it more like a traditional Start menu with one click access.

Link from the article:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/30/4376042/windows-8-1-start-button-desktop-improvements-features
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Thanks for the link!
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You can also configure the Start button to go straight to a new All Apps section, which can be sorted by different views to make it more like a traditional Start menu with one click access.

Excellent news. Sounds like everyone gets what they want. thumb.gif Nothing left to argue about, right? rolleyes.gif
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Nope, I quoted the right post. Pressing the start button can be configured to bring you directly to all programs rather than the start screen now.

Nice try, and I'd almost say, fair enough, but you only made that post because ironically you probably didn't read my first post (see quote below), otherwise you would have known that I did indeed read the article in the OP (Edit: funny enough the article is not the one in the OP, I was the first person in this thread to not only mention the article you mention but quote the exact same sentence), and, together with the sentence that came right before the one you quoted out of all that post, that I was talking about Microsoft imposing the Modern interface and the philosophy behind the OS.

While that "all apps" view option may please some people and make it a more bearable experience, pressing the Start button will still take you to the Modern interface, and with that, by not making the taskbar visible from the Start screen, you're still working within the same two desktop disruptive philosophy, like I said in my first post:

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You can also configure the Start button to go straight to a new All Apps section, which can be sorted by different views to make it more like a traditional Start menu with one click access.

Makes sense, and it allows Microsoft to stick to the nature of Windows 8, with which I disagree however.

I guess it will take Windows 8.2 for there to be a Start menu comeback, along with windowed Metro apps - which at least a third party program can already do. This may seem like nitpicking, but it's a fundamental thing. Having two desktops, even though with a much more elegant transition now, that can't really interact effectively with each other is bound to bring all sorts of usability problems and limitations.


Microsoft could try to minimize the impact of their philosphoy by going even further, by making all the options that the Start menu and taskbar provide in a centralized way available right from the Start screen (Paul Thurrot makes a few suggestions in this regard in this article) in the "all apps view", and they could even provide jump lists for the most used programs - they didn't announce any of this, but the disruptive nature would still continue.

Without having the taskbar always visible (heck, even Paul Thurrot's suggestion (in the article I linked to) of allowing the Start screen to be used in Snap mode, while not perfect, would allow for it) you have a very inconvenient system to effectively switch between the Modern interface and a running desktop application. While on the Start screen, you are taken away from the desktop and its most important feature - the taskbar. Without the taskbar visible you don't have a true unification of the OS, while you're in the Modern interface (and that includes browsing the Start screen in normal or "all apps view", reading live tiles or using a fullscreen Modern app) you have no idea if a running desktop application of a file copy operation needs your attention or not (flashing program icons on the taskbar), nor do you know of tray notifications.
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The start menu is gone. It's not coming back. Get over it.
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The start menu is gone. It's not coming back. Get over it.


There are other ways to make a unified experience without the Start menu as it is in Windows 7 and earlier. The Start menu - along with an always visible taskbar - is one of them. It works. Give people options, and above all, make Windows 8 a unified experience, not two OSes badly glued together.
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