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post #141 of 160
Why are they calling it 8.1? Why don't they just call it Service Pack 1? Not a big deal really?

Btw, fixing the search bar doesn't mean it's just like Windows 7 now. Never mind all the OTHER fixes and upgrades Windows 8 has made rolleyes.gif


Better Multi-Monitor Support



New dialog box for file copying

VS

"In Windows 8, you can also pause or stop copy jobs (Windows 7 allows you to stop them but not to pause them), easily manage file-name collisions, and get more details about the copy job, such as the speed of data transfer and a more accurate estimate of time remaining."

Refresh and reset

"Many people make it a habit to create a personalized system image and reinstall Windows every 6 to 12 months to improve their hardware's performance. Microsoft aims to make that chore a little easier with the new refresh and reset features.
Windows 7: The older OS offers less flexibility for restoring backup images.
The new refresh lets you reinstall Windows without losing your personal data, Modern UI apps, and settings. The new reset removes all of your personal data and reinstalls Windows."

Picture passwords

"This feature requires you to choose a photo from your image library and then create three gestures on the photo using any combination of circles, straight lines, and taps (or clicks, on mouse-and-keyboard PCs)."


Storage Spaces

"Borrowed from the first version of Windows Home Server and then improved, Storage Spaces lets you manage internal and external storage drives as if they were one massive drive called a storage pool.
Behind the scenes, Storage Spaces also duplicates your data across multiple drives in the pool to create redundancy in case of single-drive failure."

Faster startup times
"Windows 8 includes a new hybrid system that Microsoft says will dramatically improve boot times compared to Windows 7. The new hybrid boot combines processes used in cold boots and hibernation mode, including kernel-session storage and the employment of multiple cores in parallel during boot."

New chkdsk

VS

"In Windows 8, the GUI version of chkdsk can scan an active drive, something the Windows 7 GUI version can't do. To fix problems, you still have to reboot in Windows 8, but the process is much faster."

File History
"File History backs up everything in your Libraries, Desktop, Favorites, and Contacts folders and lets you restore previous revisions of a file. It can save data to an external hard drive as well as cache items in your local drive on occasions when you're not connected to your backup drive."


Secure boot
"A new secure-boot process, enabled by default on all new Windows 8 PCs, will prevent unauthorized operating systems and malware from loading on your machine. The system uses cryptographic signatures to verify that the operating system is authorized to load and that it hasn't been tampered with."



and more....
"Microsoft has made many more improvements to Windows 8, including improved hardware acceleration for graphics, better printer discovery, and a new enterprise virtualization feature called Windows to Go."

SOURCE


PCmag Windows 7 vs Windows 8

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2406668,00.asp

TechRadar
"hanks to changes under the hood like making background processes wake the processor up at the same time rather than one after another and using GPU acceleration for a lot more tasks, plus changing the way shutdown works to make it more like hibernation, Windows 8 boots more quickly, runs some tasks – especially multimedia, transcoding and anything using DirectX – faster and delivers longer battery life.
Booting and shutting down Windows 8 is faster than Windows 7; twice as fast in some of our tests on a mid-range second generation Core i5 notebook (upgraded to a fast SSD, but we saw even bigger improvements on a hard drive system). Hibernating and resuming speeds improved as well, but not by as much."

Just to help consolidate some other benefits for you smile.gif
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post #142 of 160
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Originally Posted by lacrossewacker View Post

Why are they calling it 8.1? Why don't they just call it Service Pack 1? Not a big deal really?

Btw, fixing the search bar doesn't mean it's just like Windows 7 now. Never mind all the OTHER fixes and upgrades Windows 8 has made rolleyes.gif

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Better Multi-Monitor Support


New dialog box for file copying Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
VS Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
"In Windows 8, you can also pause or stop copy jobs (Windows 7 allows you to stop them but not to pause them), easily manage file-name collisions, and get more details about the copy job, such as the speed of data transfer and a more accurate estimate of time remaining."

Refresh and reset Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
"Many people make it a habit to create a personalized system image and reinstall Windows every 6 to 12 months to improve their hardware's performance. Microsoft aims to make that chore a little easier with the new refresh and reset features.
Windows 7: The older OS offers less flexibility for restoring backup images.
The new refresh lets you reinstall Windows without losing your personal data, Modern UI apps, and settings. The new reset removes all of your personal data and reinstalls Windows."

Picture passwords Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
"This feature requires you to choose a photo from your image library and then create three gestures on the photo using any combination of circles, straight lines, and taps (or clicks, on mouse-and-keyboard PCs)."


Storage Spaces Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
"Borrowed from the first version of Windows Home Server and then improved, Storage Spaces lets you manage internal and external storage drives as if they were one massive drive called a storage pool.
Behind the scenes, Storage Spaces also duplicates your data across multiple drives in the pool to create redundancy in case of single-drive failure."

Faster startup times
"Windows 8 includes a new hybrid system that Microsoft says will dramatically improve boot times compared to Windows 7. The new hybrid boot combines processes used in cold boots and hibernation mode, including kernel-session storage and the employment of multiple cores in parallel during boot."

New chkdsk Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
VS Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
"In Windows 8, the GUI version of chkdsk can scan an active drive, something the Windows 7 GUI version can't do. To fix problems, you still have to reboot in Windows 8, but the process is much faster."

File History
"File History backs up everything in your Libraries, Desktop, Favorites, and Contacts folders and lets you restore previous revisions of a file. It can save data to an external hard drive as well as cache items in your local drive on occasions when you're not connected to your backup drive."


Secure boot
"A new secure-boot process, enabled by default on all new Windows 8 PCs, will prevent unauthorized operating systems and malware from loading on your machine. The system uses cryptographic signatures to verify that the operating system is authorized to load and that it hasn't been tampered with." Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


and more....
"Microsoft has made many more improvements to Windows 8, including improved hardware acceleration for graphics, better printer discovery, and a new enterprise virtualization feature called Windows to Go."

SOURCE


PCmag Windows 7 vs Windows 8 Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2406668,00.asp

TechRadar
"hanks to changes under the hood like making background processes wake the processor up at the same time rather than one after another and using GPU acceleration for a lot more tasks, plus changing the way shutdown works to make it more like hibernation, Windows 8 boots more quickly, runs some tasks – especially multimedia, transcoding and anything using DirectX – faster and delivers longer battery life.
Booting and shutting down Windows 8 is faster than Windows 7; twice as fast in some of our tests on a mid-range second generation Core i5 notebook (upgraded to a fast SSD, but we saw even bigger improvements on a hard drive system). Hibernating and resuming speeds improved as well, but not by as much."

Just to help consolidate some other benefits for you smile.gif

Good Post. I'm curious how Windows Blue for my pc and for my phone will work. heard it's supposed to take the unified os to the next level...we will see.
Edited by ejb222 - 6/4/13 at 7:38am
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What I don't get is, why do you continue to whine about it if the performance differences are minimal? Just use 7. Why do you think MS is supporting it until 2020? If you want 7, use 7. In tech, there isn't a good strategy called "do one thing, do the same thing over and over, never change". Which is exactly what you guys are asking for.
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post #144 of 160
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What I don't get is, why do you continue to whine about it if the performance differences are minimal? Just use 7. Why do you think MS is supporting it until 2020? If you want 7, use 7. In tech, there isn't a good strategy called "do one thing, do the same thing over and over, never change". Which is exactly what you guys are asking for.

Even if you buy a new pre-built that only offers 8, you can still downgrade to 7 if you wish to: http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensing/sblicensing/pages/downgrade_rights.aspx#fbid=mRYP3eY0nLE
 
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File History
"File History backs up everything in your Libraries, Desktop, Favorites, and Contacts folders and lets you restore previous revisions of a file. It can save data to an external hard drive as well as cache items in your local drive on occasions when you're not connected to your backup drive."

(...)

PCmag Windows 7 vs Windows 8

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2406668,00.asp


Just to clarify these two points, firstly, File History in Windows 7 backs up all of your files, and not only the ones in those locations, secondly, that benchmark chart is outdated in more than one way. First because the platform update for Windows 7 has already been released - at the same time as IE 10 as it is required by it, so if you already have IE 10, you also have the platform update, and that improves the performance of some parts of the OS:

Quote:
This article describes a platform update for Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1) and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1. This update improves the features and performance of the following components:

Direct2D
DirectWrite
Direct3D
Windows Imaging Component (WIC)
Windows Advanced Rasterization Platform (WARP)
Windows Animation Manager (WAM)
XPS Document API
H.264 Video Decoder
JPEG XR codec

Second, those last benchmarks are comparing IE 9 against IE 10, which is not a very useful comparison of OS advantages since you can install IE 10 in Windows 7.
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Even if you buy a new pre-built that only offers 8, you can still downgrade to 7 if you wish to: http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensing/sblicensing/pages/downgrade_rights.aspx#fbid=mRYP3eY0nLE
Yep.
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post #147 of 160
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What I don't get is, why do you continue to whine about it if the performance differences are minimal? Just use 7. Why do you think MS is supporting it until 2020? If you want 7, use 7. In tech, there isn't a good strategy called "do one thing, do the same thing over and over, never change". Which is exactly what you guys are asking for.

Performance isn't always minimal though. Waiting 20 EXTRA 20 seconds to restart a computer is big nuance. Most people aren't rocking SSD's for bootups. As most articles have stated, and from personal experience, windows 8 does "bring new life" to older systems and laptops. It may not make HUGE strides in benchmarks, but from the user's perspective, it can make the difference between what feels sluggish and what feels zippy.

Just my 2cents.gif

I'm sure there are MUCH more informed people here than me that can tell you other aspects of Windows that's been improved heavily with windows 8 that isn't mentioned in my paltry little list.
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Quote:
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What I don't get is, why do you continue to whine about it if the performance differences are minimal? Just use 7. Why do you think MS is supporting it until 2020? If you want 7, use 7. In tech, there isn't a good strategy called "do one thing, do the same thing over and over, never change". Which is exactly what you guys are asking for.

Even if you buy a new pre-built that only offers 8, you can still downgrade to 7 if you wish to: http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensing/sblicensing/pages/downgrade_rights.aspx#fbid=mRYP3eY0nLE

But for Microsoft (and most probably for legal / tax reasons) it counts as a Windows 8 sale, so the only option to know how successful the OS truly is is by tracking on-line how many computers are actually using the OS. Some people who like Windows 8 will say that it's selling fine, but that is not telling the whole story.
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In the other thread, there were several people saying that they wanted the start button to be optional.

This.

How freaking hard is it for Microsoft to LISTEN to what people wanted all along? I said it since release, I said it a hundred times before, and I'll say it again.


Microsoft should have done what they did for the past 20 years with Windows and put in a "Classic View" OPTION. That way you can PICK which way you want the GUI to look like.
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This.

How freaking hard is it for Microsoft to LISTEN to what people wanted all along? I said it since release, I said it a hundred times before, and I'll say it again.


Microsoft should have done what they did for the past 20 years with Windows and put in a "Classic View" OPTION. That way you can PICK which way you want the GUI to look like.

I've agreed all along that things should have and should BE optional; but you guys are really making a huge deal out of a minor cosmetic change:/

I switched to 8 in August, the second it went RTM. Why? My initial thought was the better multimonitor support and the fact that I actually like the flat metro interface. Other reasoning included the ribbon; it's great. Wasn't a fan at first of the start screen, then I adjusted and realized "holy christ, I get so much more done so much faster now". It's really a power users dream if you know how to use it (and a real poweruser would take the time to do so). I was opposed to it like all of you, then I gave it a fair trial. Fair meaning at least a month or two. This is an OS, not an internet browser; a week isn't enough.
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