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But you can't fix a broken vision, especially not from from a corporation that thinks what they think is what users want.

Arrogance... we need less of it! People have different preferences, and variety is the spice of life.

What's defined as a broken vision in the case of Win8 is purely opinion based. I don't want the start button back--The whole reason I moved to 8 was because of the start menu. I don't see it as a broken vision. People on OCN should really stop expressing their opinion as fact.
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Glad they made it a free upgrade for Windows 8 users but will it be a patch or complete standalone OS? Installing this OS from scratch already takes too long.

Will be interesting to see and feel the changes but I doubt I'll use any of them other. Start8 gives me the experience I need and want anyways.

It should be a Windows update, and hopefully it'll be available through the normal Windows update channels.
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What's defined as a broken vision in the case of Win8 is purely opinion based. I don't want the start button back--The whole reason I moved to 8 was because of the start menu. I don't see it as a broken vision. People on OCN should really stop expressing their opinion as fact.
I think Microft's strategy is risky, if not broken. I was quite open to Metro and Windows 8 for my new system. However, Metro seems really gimpy to me in a mouse environment. Constantly bringing me back to Metro does not make it better. The problem for Microsoft now, is that when I next shop for a phone or tablet, I'm just going to remember that Metro sucks, and I will look for another another Droid or iPad (I have both). Microsoft is in very dangerous waters here.

What would get me excitied about Metro isn't having the same thing on my desktop but interoperability and integration of devices. I would love to 'drag' a spreadsheet, word document, movie etc. to my mobile device, or stream a resource intensive game from my home desktop to play out in the backyard on a tablet or notebook.

Please no hate here - I respect your right to love Metro, please respect my right to think it is mostly a waste of my time. tongue.gif
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All of the "hype" lead to exactly where we are now.

The leaked consumer preview showed us what was coming, the articles based on that preview showed us what was coming, MS never said they would replace the start menu. Some people fall for clickbait, some don't.

If you don't like the additions, fine. Doesn't matter. If you don't think it is usable. Fine, that's your opinion.

If however you conjure up imaginary things and expect them to happen, don't be disappointed when they don't happen.

I completely disagree with your take on it. the "hype" lead us to believe there would be a start menu, not an icon link back to the crappy Metro interface. I was hopeful, but didn't put a lot of stock in my hopes since Microsoft rarely delivers on what it hypes.

It's Microsoft's product. They can go in whatever direction they choose. I'll stick with Windows 7 for gaming and will go a completely different direction for productivity, since the 21st century version of Microsoft Bob is anything but productive.
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I hope it's optional. I actually like not having a start button. I prefer the corner thing
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I think Microft's strategy is risky, if not broken. I was quite open to Metro and Windows 8 for my new system. However, Metro seems really gimpy to me in a mouse environment. Constantly bringing me back to Metro does not make it better. The problem for Microsoft now, is that when I next shop for a phone or tablet, I'm just going to remember that Metro sucks, and I will look for another another Droid or iPad (I have both). Microsoft is in very dangerous waters here.

What would get me excitied about Metro isn't having the same thing on my desktop but interoperability and integration of devices. I would love to 'drag' a spreadsheet, word document, movie etc. to my mobile device, or stream a resource intensive game from my home desktop to play out in the backyard on a tablet or notebook.

Please no hate here - I respect your right to love Metro, please respect my right to think it is mostly a waste of my time. tongue.gif

Well said.
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Constantly bringing me back to Metro does not make it better. The problem for Microsoft now, is that when I next shop for a phone or tablet, I'm just going to remember that Metro sucks, and I will look for another another Droid or iPad (I have both).
Yes, that is a big problem. I can see how constantly being brought back to the main touch interface on a device whose only input method is touch would be off putting. It is the main problem I have with my Surface.
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I think Microft's strategy is risky, if not broken. I was quite open to Metro and Windows 8 for my new system. However, Metro seems really gimpy to me in a mouse environment. Constantly bringing me back to Metro does not make it better. The problem for Microsoft now, is that when I next shop for a phone or tablet, I'm just going to remember that Metro sucks, and I will look for another another Droid or iPad (I have both). Microsoft is in very dangerous waters here.

What would get me excitied about Metro isn't having the same thing on my desktop but interoperability and integration of devices. I would love to 'drag' a spreadsheet, word document, movie etc. to my mobile device, or stream a resource intensive game from my home desktop to play out in the backyard on a tablet or notebook.

Please no hate here - I respect your right to love Metro, please respect my right to think it is mostly a waste of my time. tongue.gif

I completely agree. They are late to the game, so what supposedly better strategy than to leverage the Windows brand name to try to catch up, while shoving the Modern interface down people's throats ? Even with these changes, pressing the Start button still takes you to the same place. On a spreadsheet where numbers don't have opinions and don't actually use OSes, it might have made sense, but for people who use an OS everyday this is just making people irritated, which then extends their irritation when they consider buying a smartphone and / or tablet, like you so very well said. This has all the potential to backfire, and is indeed backfiring.

Turning the main focus of Windows into an interface where apps are not windowed has to be the ultimate irony here.

And all for what ? As a poster named Thresher on The Tech Report's article comments so very well said, this whole strategy has a name: Windows Store.


Here's his comment:
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The reason they are forcing this on us can be summarized thusly:

Microsoft Windows Store

Everything they have done has been done to coerce customers into using their walled garden store. You cannot write a ModernUI application and sell it without going through the WMS. MS saw how well this was working for Apple and decided they wanted a piece of it. It couldn't be done with the old application environment because the tools were not fully under their control. But with ModernUI, they own the tools, they own the distribution channel, and they control how the application looks and feels.

But Apple was smart enough to keep non-mobile applications open to other means of distribution. They didn't try to force iOS presentation styles on OS X applications. MS felt that if they merged the two interfaces, they could not only force mobile apps through their store, but also desktop apps.

So, if they ditch the ModernUI on the desktop, their plan fails. For various reasons, MS seems to be willing to piss off their customer base rather than admit defeat and move back to a more rational position.


It is telling that Tami Reller said that this Windows 8.1 update would be available for download from the store, citing that it would be convenient, but didn't say a word about it being available from Windows update or through a separate download from their site. If it turns out to be true that you have to log into their store, this would be the ultimate low point for Microsoft trying to get customers to create a Microsoft account and log into Windows with said account so they can download this update.. from the store.


http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/bloggingwindows/archive/2013/05/14/windows-keeps-getting-better.aspx
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Today at the JP Morgan Technology, Media & Telecom Conference in Boston, Tami Reller shared with the audience that the update previously referred to as “Windows Blue” will be called Windows 8.1and will be a free update to Windows 8 for consumers through the Windows Store.


http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2013/05/14/microsoft-to-name-new-software-windows-8-1-and-its-free/
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Once Windows 8.1 is available, Reller said people who own Windows 8 computers would see a prompt to download the operating software update from the Windows app store.

What sense does it make to have to download an OS wide update through an app store ? None, except for the whole rationale explained above.
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Yep, that's yet another reason why Windows 7 will most likely be my last Microsoft based desktop system. My only reason to run Windows is for games. If Game developers and Graphics Card Manufacturers focused a bit more on Linux, I'd have precisely NO reason to ever purchase another Microsoft license.
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MS is doing this because W8 is not selling. PC are suffering more than it was expected because of W8.

So people who are criticizing the MAJORITY for not liking W8 is funny. Get it right, you guys are the MINORITY here. MS thinks that 8.1 will have people actually buy PCs with W8 and Tables with W8? That's even more hilarious. Microsoft is failing every single day. They think consumers are stupid and they won't realize their new "start" button is the same crap. It's going to be funny when more companies come out against Microsoft. In top of that all the negativity of Xbox One makes me very happy.

Can't wait to see the numbers next year so I can laugh. Will not support MS anymore until their Ballmer is fired. To him respectig and satisfying customer isn't his priority.
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