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A desktop doesnt have portability. You'd have to add the extra cost of a laptop or a phone for portability. And a laptop doesnt even come close to a smartphone in portability. Please stop lying to your selves. If you are, you must not have a real smartphone.
My motherboard just went out last night lmao and I have to make a decision of whether to replace it or make my move to intel. But with my budget right now I'd probably have to replace just the motherboard.
My pc would be close to $4500 if I didn't get cheap used parts. Check the sig. and I mighy have to put in more money into this expensive hobby.

Business ppl have to make the decision whether the costs of having a smartphone are worth it.

I think I can put some parts together and get a laptop working and access my terabyte.

Anyway, arguing with gamers and benchmarch guys is a waste of time.
    
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I wonder if the it will be a proper start menu they put in it or if Startisback will still be better.
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post #83 of 160
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Pfff... at this point I'm getting more and more sure Microsoft is just addicted (and probably very well advised by professionals to do so...) to this "bad cop - good cop" psychological drama where we get to talk about all the problems surrounding context switching while being introduced to Modern apps even if we don't use them, for then to be relieved by the appearance of the "good" Microsoft that really listens and delivers a truly unified desktop / touch experience, in the form of Windows 9. We will have to pay for it though.

Brilliant scheme, worked pretty well for Windows Vista -> Windows 7, I'm just not so sure the times are so complacent to Microsoft this time around though. Some people really don't need a PC and are realizing that. Microsoft is doing its job of calling tablets PCs in order to try to flex its muscles into the market, but the fact is that other competitors have established themselves pretty fast in a fast evolving market and have successfully created an ecosystem, but more important than that, tablets came from smartphones and not from PCs like Microsoft, and whether MS likes it or not, the smartphone in its touch incarnation (previously PDAs with cellphone capability) is looked at by the consumer as something new and different because you interact with it in a new way. Microsoft it trying to displace that new reality paradigm that is installed on consumers' minds with "yes, but that is also a PC" to try to make people realize they should still want a Microsoft product.

Hard to say what will happen, but it could be that people just don't want to put all their eggs in the same basket, and there comes a time when the desire for something new is truly fulfilled by a different company / companies. Microsoft has to face the fact that its glory days of market domination can't last forever, it's the nature of the game.

On the one hand I'm happy, people who just want something simple now have more options other than Apple, and that leaves the enthusiast and professional market to its own more elaborate tools, on the other I hope that Microsoft really does listen for Windows 9.
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A desktop doesnt have portability. You'd have to add the extra cost of a laptop or a phone for portability. And a laptop doesnt even come close to a smartphone in portability. Please stop lying to your selves. If you are, you must not have a real smartphone.
My motherboard just went out last night lmao and I have to make a decision of whether to replace it or make my move to intel. But with my budget right now I'd probably have to replace just the motherboard.
My pc would be close to $4500 if I didn't get cheap used parts. Check the sig. and I mighy have to put in more money into this expensive hobby.

Business ppl have to make the decision whether the costs of having a smartphone are worth it.

I think I can put some parts together and get a laptop working and access my terabyte.

Anyway, arguing with gamers and benchmarch guys is a waste of time.
If that cost you 4.5K you've got seriously ripped off.
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Originally Posted by Remix65 View Post

A desktop doesnt have portability. You'd have to add the extra cost of a laptop or a phone for portability. And a laptop doesnt even come close to a smartphone in portability. Please stop lying to your selves. If you are, you must not have a real smartphone.
My motherboard just went out last night lmao and I have to make a decision of whether to replace it or make my move to intel. But with my budget right now I'd probably have to replace just the motherboard.
My pc would be close to $4500 if I didn't get cheap used parts. Check the sig. and I mighy have to put in more money into this expensive hobby.

Business ppl have to make the decision whether the costs of having a smartphone are worth it.

I think I can put some parts together and get a laptop working and access my terabyte.

Anyway, arguing with gamers and benchmarch guys is a waste of time.

Desktop was never made to be portable, thats why we have laptop/tablets. Personally a phone doesn't replace a laptop/tablet, they tend to be to small to really do any real work on. I have a Electrify M (pretty much Razr M) what is a smaller phone what I personally like while still not lacking in power. I have a HP touchpad running 10.1, though I don't really use it that much. My laptop is a brick, Asus gaming laptop, lucky to get 1.5hr of battery life TBH. Though I once had a Thinkpad t60 (now my little brothers) and with the 9 cell it could get 5-7 hours pretty easy, thats with the radeon x1400 mobility graphics Pretty sure intel graphics would have yielded even better battery life. Though if I really needed battery life I would probably take my tablet, but most places have a plug somewhere. Smart Phone is good for somethings, but I wouldn't write a long email or browse the web for long periods of time ether. Even though my tablet doesn't have the specs my phone has, I would rather browse the web on that purely for the screen size. Any Netbook could easily grant one with quick computer access on the go, as long as you avoid the intel netbooks. Though Tablet/notebook hybrids are the future and am planing on getting one myself. Those AMD APU's for tablets are looking to be a pretty easy choice. For mobility you get best of both worlds, just give me a 12" screen with 1080p and i'll be happy. Pen interface would be nice as well, but not mandatory.

^As for his sig rig, most of the money is by far put into the monitors. Though most people don't consider the cost of their pc to include the entire setup. Hell I have spent less the $3000 over the years of having this complete rig setup, and it is fully water cooled and I have two 120hz screens. Sound system that most would be jelly over, and a pretty decent chair to sit on tongue.gif
I wouldn't say my setup is still worth 3k as most of my pc parts have aged, but still no slouch. Personally I am pretty surprised on how well a first gen i7 and a pair of gtx470's have held up. Though to see all those monitors on a lonely 6970 is a feat by itself.

Really only thing stopping me from turning my 120hz monitors horizontal and tossing a nice big high rez monitor in the middle is being stuck at 60hz. There are a few 120hz IPS screens for a decent cost, but would be nice to get a 30 or 32" 1600p or 4k screen. But needs to be 120hz as well, gaming on anything less is not worth it in my books.
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Not at all fond of the more unified search/Bing/Skydrive integration. Honestly, I thought (and still think) integrating browser functionality like they did way back in Windows 95 OSR2 was a disaster, and this is the next big step in this decades old trend.

Hopefully this will be less integrated, or at least less work to disable, in the Server variant.
I agree on the integration thing. Many of Microsoft's products and services, I don't and will never use. Not to mention that Bing is a terrible search engine.


It's good that Microsoft is sticking to their guns, though. It would be terrible for their image if they just tucked their tails between their legs and gave in to every naysayer. I can also see many of these features being appealing to kids, not-so-savvy users and fans of the mobile device feel.

I still see the modern start screen as a messy eyesore though, and I just can't convince myself to enjoy the broad, flat, bland looks of the UI in general.
To each our own.
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Desktop was never made to be portable, thats why we have laptop/tablets. Personally a phone doesn't replace a laptop/tablet, they tend to be to small to really do any real work on. I have a Electrify M (pretty much Razr M) what is a smaller phone what I personally like while still not lacking in power. I have a HP touchpad running 10.1, though I don't really use it that much. My laptop is a brick, Asus gaming laptop, lucky to get 1.5hr of battery life TBH. Though I once had a Thinkpad t60 (now my little brothers) and with the 9 cell it could get 5-7 hours pretty easy, thats with the radeon x1400 mobility graphics Pretty sure intel graphics would have yielded even better battery life. Though if I really needed battery life I would probably take my tablet, but most places have a plug somewhere. Smart Phone is good for somethings, but I wouldn't write a long email or browse the web for long periods of time ether. Even though my tablet doesn't have the specs my phone has, I would rather browse the web on that purely for the screen size. Any Netbook could easily grant one with quick computer access on the go, as long as you avoid the intel netbooks. Though Tablet/notebook hybrids are the future and am planing on getting one myself. Those AMD APU's for tablets are looking to be a pretty easy choice. For mobility you get best of both worlds, just give me a 12" screen with 1080p and i'll be happy. Pen interface would be nice as well, but not mandatory.

^As for his sig rig, most of the money is by far put into the monitors. Though most people don't consider the cost of their pc to include the entire setup. Hell I have spent less the $3000 over the years of having this complete rig setup, and it is fully water cooled and I have two 120hz screens. Sound system that most would be jelly over, and a pretty decent chair to sit on tongue.gif
I wouldn't say my setup is still worth 3k as most of my pc parts have aged, but still no slouch. Personally I am pretty surprised on how well a first gen i7 and a pair of gtx470's have held up. Though to see all those monitors on a lonely 6970 is a feat by itself.

Really only thing stopping me from turning my 120hz monitors horizontal and tossing a nice big high rez monitor in the middle is being stuck at 60hz. There are a few 120hz IPS screens for a decent cost, but would be nice to get a 30 or 32" 1600p or 4k screen. But needs to be 120hz as well, gaming on anything less is not worth it in my books.
computers started with the desktop but today the desktop is just one way of computing. and technology advances and parts get smaller computing will get more powerful and more mobile. that's the way i look at it. apu's will make the desktop experience mobile.
i don't know what the razr m is but if you're complaining about it then maybe it's not what i'd call a real smartphone lol. i keed.
i have about 5 laptops that i own. old lappies. have them strategically placed at work and home. some of them.. the older ones will never move cause i have extra monitors on them lol. laptops just don't do it for mobility.


i was just looking at the remote desktop feature of the windows phone and i see microsoft is in the apps thing too (copied from apple) and is charging for the remote desktop app. rofl. microsoft need to stop playing. remote desktop connection btwn computers and windows platforms has always been free. well, just another reason for me not to get a windows phone. really for me my computer is still my main hub and it's great having to move all over the place and get things done with my phone. my phone mostly only allows me to respond quickly to emails. or when i'm out bored i can do some little research and reading. i use it first when i get up and last when going to bed..
i was late on the phone platform and still move slow but my speed is increasing and i'm getting better at it. i see youtubes of guys who type really fast. and there's all sorts of keyboard apps out there that can help speed. but i'm still learning.

but back to windows 8 .1... rolleyes.gif
    
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I agree on the integration thing. Many of Microsoft's products and services, I don't and will never use. Not to mention that Bing is a terrible search engine.


It's good that Microsoft is sticking to their guns, though. It would be terrible for their image if they just tucked their tails between their legs and gave in to every naysayer. I can also see many of these features being appealing to kids, not-so-savvy users and fans of the mobile device feel.

I still see the modern start screen as a messy eyesore though, and I just can't convince myself to enjoy the broad, flat, bland looks of the UI in general.
To each our own.
But It's Not Google is a terrible search engine. What amazes me is that it's been so long and it's still doesn't seem to have improved. they have all the money over there but they don't seem to know what to do with it. google started as a search engine and look at all the things they're into now. apple's money maker the past few years has been iphone. companies have switched up. but microsoft is still stuck with ummm windows 8.1.
i don't play console games. never owned any game console but last i heard the last week or 2 microsoft made some xbox announcement and angered more ppl. the news was so bad the nintendo (wiii) stock shot up lol.
    
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computers started with the desktop but today the desktop is just one way of computing. and technology advances and parts get smaller computing will get more powerful and more mobile. that's the way i look at it. apu's will make the desktop experience mobile.
i don't know what the razr m is but if you're complaining about it then maybe it's not what i'd call a real smartphone lol. i keed.
i have about 5 laptops that i own. old lappies. have them strategically placed at work and home. some of them.. the older ones will never move cause i have extra monitors on them lol. laptops just don't do it for mobility.


i was just looking at the remote desktop feature of the windows phone and i see microsoft is in the apps thing too (copied from apple) and is charging for the remote desktop app. rofl. microsoft need to stop playing. remote desktop connection btwn computers and windows platforms has always been free. well, just another reason for me not to get a windows phone. really for me my computer is still my main hub and it's great having to move all over the place and get things done with my phone. my phone mostly only allows me to respond quickly to emails. or when i'm out bored i can do some little research and reading. i use it first when i get up and last when going to bed..
i was late on the phone platform and still move slow but my speed is increasing and i'm getting better at it. i see youtubes of guys who type really fast. and there's all sorts of keyboard apps out there that can help speed. but i'm still learning.

but back to windows 8 .1... rolleyes.gif

I don't get how you thought I didn't like my phone but I do. Pretty much the same CPU/GPU as the GS3. Plus 4G internet is so much better then 3g, and I don't need to root my phone to get tethering working. 4G internet is kinda like having higher tier dsl, works great use it all the time at my buddies in the country as he uses his phone for internet as well. I don't know what you would call a "real smartphone" but I don't see any better phone OS then Andorid 4.1+ ATM. Though I would like to see you load up a song on youtube using the web browser then go to a different app to do other things. This is one of the reasons why Android and iOS just aren't fit for anything other then phones. While Apple has done a pretty good job creating a app market around the tablet, it is still a pretty basic device.

Windows 8 whether you like it or not is a pretty complex OS, it gives the user a lot of different options. Not only do you get a pretty decent UI tailored for Tablets (i personally like it better then the wall of apps on iOS), but you get a OS that can truly multitask. While Windows 8 still isn't perfect, it is a lot better then what he have had in the past. The Desktop side really isn't much different when windows 7 and using a program like start8 makes metro even less annoying to a desktop user. Also Remote Desktop is still built into windows 8, maybe not the metro app as I never check, but the good old remote connect is still free on the desktop side. Apple and Google don't have free remote connection software on the phone side, why would MS? Plus who doesn't use teamviewer in a home environment.


Though not all windows 8 features are bad, netflix app for windows 8 bring full 5.1 sound and a overall better experience compared to silverlight on a web browser. Though Not everything in windows 8 was executed perfectly. For one snap needs to be fixed so you can adjust the size to your will, or for apps that support doing so. Netflix app would be so much better if you could make it take up more screen space when snapped to the side. Also Metro apps should be able to used in a window on the desktop, there is a 3rd party software that will let you do this but it should be built into the OS itself. MS should really push windows RT into the lower price points, they should be putting windows RT on 7" tablets for cheap. Why they are trying to charge a arm and a leg for those tablets are not the way to go, if they push into the $200-399 range then android could really lose out on ground. Though they also should push windows 8 tablets into the 399+ price range, one of the biggest problems I see with more x86 tablets is not many people want a tablet that cost more then a ipad that has a atom chip inside.

Windows 8.1 should fix a lot of problems people were having, really at a hybrid laptop level nothing can touch windows 8. At a tablet level they are overpriced but they do a lot more, but might be lacking a good number of tablet centric apps that iOS or Android might have. Windows 8.1 will just make it that much better of a tablet OS, hopefully they have tablets with better pricing by then.
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I think when or if I get my computer back running im gonna install 8.1. Only a fresh install would make me move to w8. But on s second thought I should just stick to the old cause I don't want no surprises with my audio programs during gigs...
So until all programs I use are 2-3 versions or updates in I can't make the move. W8 is not for me. yet.
    
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