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Originlly posted by Maiky

 

dude, how are they not going to know??

I work with pre-builts at my 9-5 and most of them are Dell Inspirons (grey tower) that are running old Intel dual cores that barely hit 50c at stock with a massive dell OEM heatsink (no dedicated GPU). The ones running i3 and i5's are running much cooler.

Imagine that same tower (or similar) with a CPU that is 15-20c warmer and add a GPU to the equation. The end result will be horrible unless your office or house is running ambients in the mid to high 60's

Because they aren't monitoring the temperature.  I don't know or care what temp the stuff in my OEM box at work runs.  As long as it doesn't catch on fire, it's not my problem, and that's the attitude of 99% of the people that buy pre-built computers.  You're making the assumption that the chip is going to fail (or something) just because it is running a little hotter than a Sandy Bridge chip - but for all we know it'll still run cooler at stock just like Ivy, and even if it is hotter than Sandy, it still isn't going to run at a throttle temp under any likely load for someone building a pre-built computer. 

 

Anyone buying one with the intention of overclocking it is going to get an aftermarket cooler and then run the chip to the limit of the temps, just like people have done for years.  Yes, it may not get to 5 GHz like eveyone was hoping (or maybe it will, who knows) but to say it's going to be a failure for Intel and cause problems with OEMs is pure fearmongering.  Did you see Dell or HP shying away from using Ivy chips?

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So, if you botch delidding one of these things. Can't you just krazy glue the lid back on, then return it like nothing happened?

If that ever happened to me thats exactly what i would do. ninja.gif Atleast im being honest

me too. going straight back to microcenter.
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Because they aren't monitoring the temperature.  I don't know or care what temp the stuff in my OEM box at work runs.  As long as it doesn't catch on fire, it's not my problem, and that's the attitude of 99% of the people that buy pre-built computers.  You're making the assumption that the chip is going to fail (or something) just because it is running a little hotter than a Sandy Bridge chip - but for all we know it'll still run cooler at stock just like Ivy, and even if it is hotter than Sandy, it still isn't going to run at a throttle temp under any likely load for someone building a pre-built computer. 

Anyone buying one with the intention of overclocking it is going to get an aftermarket cooler and then run the chip to the limit of the temps, just like people have done for years.  Yes, it may not get to 5 GHz like eveyone was hoping (or maybe it will, who knows) but to say it's going to be a failure for Intel and cause problems with OEMs is pure fearmongering.  Did you see Dell or HP shying away from using Ivy chips?

You may get new buyers buying it,but i don't see anyone spending $350+ to save $10 a year in power savings. I would say most of historical OEM business is upgrades(ie consumers that already have one). The only way Haswell will see large sales is if they kill 1155,in my opinion.
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You may get new buyers buying it,but i don't see anyone spending $350+ to save $10 a year in power savings. I would say most of historical OEM business is upgrades(ie consumers that already have one). The only way Haswell will see large sales is if they kill 1155,in my opinion.

I think haswell will sell just as well as ivy bridge.

The people who jump on a new CPU account for maybe 1% of the market.

Most people buy a new computer because they need a new computer, they don't care when haswell got released or even know the difference. And OEMs are going to switch to haswell just like they switched to ivy last time around.
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touche ftw. touche.

i just got out of WCing cause it ended up costing more than slapping an air cooler in when i change sockets and gfx cards.

considering my idle is mid 30s and load is mid 60s im not complaining

It can get expensive.
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Why wouldn't they make the K versions $5 more expensive and use some decent TIM? Anyway it's no big deal as long as it clocks well after delidding.

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I understand that no matter what these chips will sell like hotcakes but IMHO it is unacceptable to have to delid in order to get tolerable temps..

Intel is just lazy since AMD has nothing to compete with, later on I hope AMD pulls a rabbit and makes Intel use better TIM and better QC biggrin.gif
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Why wouldn't they make the K versions $5 more expensive and use some decent TIM? Anyway it's no big deal as long as it clocks well after delidding.


Because it would probably cost a whole lot more than it is worth to set up a separate packaging line to do that.

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