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Originally Posted by Alatar View Post

low wattage?

SB-E pulls more than anything else on the market. As far as I know there hasn't even been a consumer CPU that drew more power than a 3960X. When you overclock the situation just gets worse power wise.
I never ever understood why Intel extreme procs IS so power hungry headscratch.gif
What it looks like the 3820 is just addition of some l3 cache and another 2 channel IMC ... Is it that simple? No. It's a maimed 3930k. Now i figured out the puzzle
But the question is, why does 3930k/3960x draw more than 50% of a 2700k? That i don't understand. And the 3930k is clocked lower too ...
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Originally Posted by FtW 420 View Post

Maybe wait until NDA is up & more people post results before making it official. I'm not going to be surprised if haswell runs hot on air, but do want to see if/how much it beats sandy & ivy with max clocks before calling it a failure.
Gulftown ate up the watts as well, probably more than sb-e at max clocks since it needed more voltage. Sb-e does still use a lot though.
4.6GHz @ 1.4V on SB-E ate more than 4GHz @ 1.4V on Nehalem ever did ... If we're talking similar clocks though, nehalem definitely eats more. But at the same time (if i am starting to confuse you) ... Nehalem 45nm Quads (D0) draw quite a lot less than 32nm Sandy-E hexacores ...
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Originally Posted by ohhgourami View Post

Maybe the testers are in southern China (35C) ambient when no AC and using a stock cooler. I find it highly unlikely a decent cooler would have such high temps at that voltage.

Either way, Haswell will be mine. And I'll find a way to cool it well on air.
Oh no definitely not ... It's summer now but they don't even hit nearly 35C ... 27C tops.

Also do you guys know that the actual temp on the core is not nearly THAT high? wink.gif I loaded my E5700 to full load with a tiny tower it hit 50C but the actual temp on the base was like 30-somethingC ... then it actually got very far apart once you really go above 60C
Just for fun i put my Ice Blade GS back into my main rig and used IBT, hit 70C but the actual surface temp was like 50C. Intel's new spec is surface temp max 73C which corresponds to 105C on Ivy Bridge and 67C for Sandy which is somewhere around 91C reported
Mind you, AMD reports actual temps. But intel used this route because it's not so confusing and they don't have to post data about a chip's actual temp spec if they're not sure so they will set it lower for the diode to report "this certain value"
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Originally Posted by Redwoodz View Post

I wonder what Intel thought would happen when you put VRM's inside the cpu....
You already have Ivy Bridge heat problems. Now introduce another component that gives off quite a lot of heat. What do you get? Disaster.
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Originally Posted by Maiky View Post

that's bad, paying a premium over AMD and you still get shafted..

you would think Intel would like to keep the customers happy just like they have done for the past 15-20 years headscratch.gif

I think they should be able to apply some decent Tim "correctly" without going broke. Intel is a multi-billion dollar company, if they cannot churn out CPU's properly then the CEO needs a reality check. Take a pay-cut and put some decent TiM on those chips!
LOL, being shafted by going to intel ...
Have they ever kept customers happy? By doing dirty tricks on AMD therefore cutting up the supply chain .... How were we happy in 2004 if AMD's chips supply was cut off? (And that was a real premier competitor. Intel Preshott drew so much more power on a smaller process and even then it needed so high clocks to even be 30-40% behind AMD.)
Sure we used to be able to overclock because intel used the FSB method ... If it was true Intel kept us happy they would have released all chips as unlocked chips. Being able to OC using the FSB was just a side-effect to intel. tongue.gif
Intel's CEO has always needed a reality check ... In the past they stole AMD's business and only got fined 4B$ to AMD and they aren't even sorry since they still walked away with 16B$. What do you think that looks like?
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Originally Posted by Forceman View Post

They work just fine at stock, which is all Intel cares about.  If they are going to put any corrections in place, it'll be on the "enthusiast" IB-E and Haswell-E lines, not on the normal chips. 
Not that intel cares about that anyway ... And IB-E is still "rumored". If they really cared about us they would have released IB-E desktop before server .. Not really... They will only release extreme platforms if they deem fit on the server side and then give us the worst chips that rolls off the factory ...
Servers need lower power consumption & efficiency so i don't believe they are just sitting around getting beat by AMD on the server side. Same story for AMD on the desktop side.
Those who say AMD is no good everywhere is just ignorant and that's all ... AMD is cleanly beating Intel off their socks for being much cheaper and having more multi-thread performance which servers can seriously use to the fullest extent
Intel? Not so much ... beyond a hexacore it gets ridiculously expensive. Only on the used market Intel server procs depreciate very quickly ... amazingly. This is a result of Intel losing the price/perf war on servers since even massive companies want to save while getting more efficiency since anyway Intel server procs are not what you call "efficient". L5520s can be had @ 40$ .... They were popular because it was super low-TDP but now? Most other chips off the gainestown platform costs about 80$. That is seriously low because of two major reasons : LGA1366 is dead, Intel is losing popularity on the server space
Same story for the older xeons ... Yes, cheaper than AMD of the same age but those are some incredible garbage ... I'm talking about NetBurst Xeons vs K8 server procs
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Originally Posted by TehOnlyMITTENS View Post

I completely agree that it needs to be fixed. But we are no longer heard.

In the past, if you bought a computer, you knew why you needed it. So about half the people with computers were buying expensive components because they did a job that required a computer.

Now the computer is a toy, everyone has one, but 99% of people just use email/facebook. Tablets are also about 50% of the computer market. So its a completely transformed market.
Agreed. That's why tablets are getting more popular and most people use tablets or their phone now ... Desktop market is shrinking by the hour
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Originally Posted by PureBlackFire View Post

90c at 1.24v yikes.
I don't want to imagine 1.3V ... 1.3V was our nominal IVB voltage @ 4.X right?
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Originally Posted by skycake View Post

One, if their CPU is throttling, that's Dell's fault for not having sufficient airflow in the case for the CPU.

Two, what are you even talking about? There's nothing to suggest that the temperatures are outrageously high at stock, so where's the throttling going to come from?
On day 1. What about day 365? And also if you don't know ... Dell uses really loud fans all the time.
And you think dells are filtered? Neither are Lenovos.
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Originally Posted by Stay Puft View Post

Just because its hitting 100C doesnt mean its putting out a lot of heat. If you want to feel heat come check out my 4.4Ghz bloomfield
Those things are mini furnaces ... CPU comes as a side benefit tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by Maiky View Post

I predict this will hurt the pre-built's by a large margin. I wouldn't be happy paying good money for a PC that doubles as a furnace at stock clocks. I can only imagine someone trying to upgrade the GPU and not being able to because the insides of that case are beyond 80-90c.
... Luckily laptops are not much of a problems since laptops are bare die. But of desktops? Oh hell, all goes into disaster. But i see most people who buys a prebuilt won't know anything about what's inside ...
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Originally Posted by dmanstasiu View Post

AMD 8-cores? First thing that came to mind
8150. Not 8350. 8350 is good, lower power consumption than 8150 by a far shot and much lower than a SB-E
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Originally Posted by Sir Beregond View Post

Meh...don't feel comfortable deliding. Guess I will stick with my i7-960 a while longer. It still works fine, but I got the upgrade itch! mad.gif
That is if you want to move away from your mini furnace and gain lower power consumption ... IPC upgrades are just side effects
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Originally Posted by Nester153 View Post

Well this sucks, was looking forward to Haswell..........this reminds me when Northwood ran nice and cool, then came along Prescott with its pants on fire.......deja vu Intel, come on shess "roll eyes" devil.gif
They're both disasters anyway tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by demoship View Post

Most people buy a new computer because they need a new computer, they don't care when haswell got released or even know the difference. And OEMs are going to switch to haswell just like they switched to ivy last time around.
Or because it's a new computer ... OEMs are going to switch because Intel MAKES THEM SWITCH. Simple as that.
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Originally Posted by Arman1 View Post

Why wouldn't they make the K versions $5 more expensive and use some decent TIM? Anyway it's no big deal as long as it clocks well after delidding.
Why must they even make it more expensive headscratch.gif
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Oh no definitely not ... It's summer now but they don't even hit nearly 35C ... 27C tops.
I was in Guangzhou during April and it got damn hot at the end of the month. I remember seeing temps get up to 32C. Relatives and locals tell me it gets much hotter and feels more like death as it actually becomes summer so 35C isn't out of the question at all. It even gets to 35C here in Los Angeles during the summer. I'd imagine that GZ is a stuffy sauna of death right now.
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So do you guys think going from sandy to haswell would be worth it or just stick with sandy till broadwell? tongue.gif
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So do you guys think going from sandy to haswell would be worth it or just stick with sandy till broadwell? tongue.gif

the more i see, i think stick with sandy for the time being and see how haswel really performs after release, tho i am now not expecting it to be worth it. sandy's are still beastly
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the more i see, i think stick with sandy for the time being and see how haswel really performs after release, tho i am now not expecting it to be worth it. sandy's are still beastly

lol thats what I thought tongue.gif thought I should still ask tho

Is haswell really gonna be like ivy with heat problems?
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the more i see, i think stick with sandy for the time being and see how haswel really performs after release, tho i am now not expecting it to be worth it. sandy's are still beastly

lol thats what I thought tongue.gif thought I should still ask tho

Is haswell really gonna be like ivy with heat problems?

i dont think anyone can truly answer this yet IMO tongue.gif
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the more i see, i think stick with sandy for the time being and see how haswel really performs after release, tho i am now not expecting it to be worth it. sandy's are still beastly
5-10%. ES though. Already in my town Haswell is being sold.
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I was in Guangzhou during April and it got damn hot at the end of the month. I remember seeing temps get up to 32C. Relatives and locals tell me it gets much hotter and feels more like death as it actually becomes summer so 35C isn't out of the question at all. It even gets to 35C here in Los Angeles during the summer. I'd imagine that GZ is a stuffy sauna of death right now.
Right ... I live very near the equator but 35C is highly impossible. In Shanghai and Beijing it's possible but not Guangzhou. GZ is not susceptible to huge temperature deltas like Shanghai and beijing is
Anyway if you dare to live in china without AC at 32C you will literally die ... I'm dying in singapore from the 31C that we get sometimes during the day even now ...
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lol thats what I thought tongue.gif thought I should still ask tho

Is haswell really gonna be like ivy with heat problems?
As demonstrated, yeah. Only worse.
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i dont think anyone can truly answer this yet IMO tongue.gif

Well some people can... *looks around for Intel rep*
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i dont think anyone can truly answer this yet IMO tongue.gif

Well some people can... *looks around for Intel rep*

lol, still me waits.

pfft, people need to do military exercise's in the aussie outback in summer then you will know what hot is like wink.gif
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5-10%. ES though. Already in my town Haswell is being sold.

So DaveLT, what have you heard about heat with Haswel from people in your town you might know that have bought?
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The cpu's have been in stock here for a week , motherboards are bigger of an issue for now, they can't yet sell them officially , only through connections, but as demonstrated previously - they are as hot as ivy pretty much.
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