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just something people might want to watch about haswell it is pretty telling and trust me most of it is dead on true https://teksyndicate.com/videos/haswell-what-you-need-know the haswell I7 4770k does run hot very hot i have to say it runs nearly as hot as my 8350 overclocked to 4.8ghz x8 especialy when you get to around 4.2-4.4ghz+ the thing acts like a nuclear reactor i know i happen to have one here i have been testing for past week the reason being part of the VRM is on the main CPU chip which adds alot of heat especialy when you go to messing with voltage it almost doubles temps when just adding minor voltage increases so badly the thing scares me to be honest.

I also want to point out it often will downclock before you can even see it because temperature gets to close to threshhold so it will give false positives about successfull stable overclocks basicaly i cant seem to get above 4.6ghz on custom liquid cooling using XSPC full copper raystorm waterblock and arctic cooling mx4 thermal paste applied with half pea method to elimiate aplication error have tried 10 times or more to figure out issue it is downclocking even then when i do benching yet you cannot tell this because it does so so fast and without actualy showwing signs of this it will just slowdown vs crash like they used to.
Edited by rickcooperjr - 6/5/13 at 3:50pm
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just something people might want to watch about haswell it is pretty telling and trust me most of it is dead on true https://teksyndicate.com/videos/haswell-what-you-need-know the haswell I7 4770k does run hot very hot i have to say it runs nearly as hot as my 8350 overclocked to 4.8ghz x8 especialy when you get to around 4.2-4.4ghz+ the thing acts like a nuclear reactor i know i happen to have one here i have been testing for past week the reason being part of the VRM is on the main CPU chip which adds alot of heat especialy when you go to messing with voltage it almost doubles temps when just adding minor voltage increases so badly the thing scares me to be honest.

I also want to point out it often will downclock before you can even see it because temperature gets to close to threshhold so it will give false positives about successfull stable overclocks basicaly i cant seem to get above 4.6ghz on custom liquid cooling using XSPC full copper raystorm waterblock and arctic cooling mx4 thermal paste applied with half pea method to elimiate aplication error have tried 10 times or more to figure out issue it is downclocking even then when i do benching yet you cannot tell this because it does so so fast and without actualy showwing signs of this it will just slowdown vs crash like they used to.

You can tell if it downclocks.

Run the benchmark at stock speed, and using that data you can calculate what the result should be with XX% overclock. If the #s don't match then something's wrong.
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just something people might want to watch about haswell it is pretty telling and trust me most of it is dead on true https://teksyndicate.com/videos/haswell-what-you-need-know the haswell I7 4770k does run hot very hot i have to say it runs nearly as hot as my 8350 overclocked to 4.8ghz x8 especialy when you get to around 4.2-4.4ghz+ the thing acts like a nuclear reactor i know i happen to have one here i have been testing for past week the reason being part of the VRM is on the main CPU chip which adds alot of heat especialy when you go to messing with voltage it almost doubles temps when just adding minor voltage increases so badly the thing scares me to be honest.

I also want to point out it often will downclock before you can even see it because temperature gets to close to threshhold so it will give false positives about successfull stable overclocks basicaly i cant seem to get above 4.6ghz on custom liquid cooling using XSPC full copper raystorm waterblock and arctic cooling mx4 thermal paste applied with half pea method to elimiate aplication error have tried 10 times or more to figure out issue it is downclocking even then when i do benching yet you cannot tell this because it does so so fast and without actualy showwing signs of this it will just slowdown vs crash like they used to.

You can tell if it downclocks.

Run the benchmark at stock speed, and using that data you can calculate what the result should be with XX% overclock. If the #s don't match then something's wrong.

this i know i was just pointing the issue out to the newwer overclockers and such because this time around Intel has them downclocking vs how they used to crash so fluidly which makes inexperienced overclockers falsely think they are getting high stable overclocks is all i was trying to say.
Edited by rickcooperjr - 6/5/13 at 4:11pm
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this i know i was just pointing the issue out to the newwer overclockers and such because this time around Intel has them downclocking vs how they used to crash so fluidly which makes inexperienced overclockers falsely think they are getting high stable overclocks is all i was trying to say.

You would also see ridiculously high temps if it started downclocking. You would be crazy to not monitor temps while stress testing.
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alot of new overclockers dont have the knowledge or software and simply try overclocking blind alot more often than you think so i was letting the info be known for future understanding.

not to mention alot of new overclockers only use one screen when they are gaming and dont have ability to monitor the temps because the game and so on is on the screen in fullscreen.

me myself when using eyefinity or single screen gaming i use riva tuner on screen display and use HWinfo64 to do the monitoring and then it actualy post gpu loads clocks temps and cpu clocks temps and load all onscreen while gaming fullscreen and such.
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alot of new overclockers dont have the knowledge or software and simply try overclocking blind alot more often than you think so i was letting the info be known for future understanding.

not to mention alot of new overclockers only use one screen when they are gaming and dont have ability to monitor the temps because the game and so on is on the screen in fullscreen.

me myself when using eyefinity or single screen gaming i use riva tuner on screen display and use HWinfo64 to do the monitoring and then it actualy post gpu loads clocks temps and cpu clocks temps and load all onscreen while gaming fullscreen and such.

People who OC blind should be OCing in the first place and they probably won't OC at all. You don't need to monitor temps while gaming. Stress tests like prime95 will push your CPU more than any game ever could. If your max temps is safe running prime95, you're definitely safe playing any games. It's the same for GPU temps. Run Heaven bench and see what temps you get and your gaming load shouldn't be far off.
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alot of new overclockers dont have the knowledge or software and simply try overclocking blind alot more often than you think so i was letting the info be known for future understanding.

not to mention alot of new overclockers only use one screen when they are gaming and dont have ability to monitor the temps because the game and so on is on the screen in fullscreen.

me myself when using eyefinity or single screen gaming i use riva tuner on screen display and use HWinfo64 to do the monitoring and then it actualy post gpu loads clocks temps and cpu clocks temps and load all onscreen while gaming fullscreen and such.

People who OC blind should be OCing in the first place and they probably won't OC at all. You don't need to monitor temps while gaming. Stress tests like prime95 will push your CPU more than any game ever could. If your max temps is safe running prime95, you're definitely safe playing any games. It's the same for GPU temps. Run Heaven bench and see what temps you get and your gaming load shouldn't be far off.

I know all this i have been overclocking for a very longtime and also am a hardware tester for a few companies.
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I know all this i have been overclocking for a very longtime and also am a hardware tester for a few companies.

If stress tests aren't a good indicator of temps while gaming, then that setup has some serious problems with cooling and airflow in general.

People who OC should understand the risk and limits in the first place. It's exactly why manufacturers don't cover that in their warranty.
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I know all this i have been overclocking for a very longtime and also am a hardware tester for a few companies.

If stress tests aren't a good indicator of temps while gaming, then that setup has some serious problems with cooling and airflow in general.

People who OC should understand the risk and limits in the first place. It's exactly why manufacturers don't cover that in their warranty.

yes i know i was simply stating these things run way hotter than Sandy bridge / Ivy bridge and also do not overclock in general any better and often worse so get off my $%* about it i was simply stating facts so others would know and understand afterall name of the thread is haswell is on fire and that it is the ones sent out that were samples were not bad but retail ones are running cooking hot.
Edited by rickcooperjr - 6/5/13 at 7:24pm
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