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post #201 of 206
isn't there a report that stated after Skymont (microarchitecture)
everything will probably be on-chip.
so no doubt Intel is trying to pull a modified nVidia in terms of locking down too much overclocking.

if true then that sux and we'll all be on older tech and the latest tablets..
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post #202 of 206
Yeah, I had really high hopes for Haswell. Mostly because it would more than likely be the last socketed CPU for a while, possibly forever. The DIY market is closing up as we speak. Soon we will have to line up for our slop and be good little consumers just like everyone else.
Way to go Intel, for killing unsanctioned creativity.
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Yeah, I had really high hopes for Haswell. Mostly because it would more than likely be the last socketed CPU for a while, possibly forever. The DIY market is closing up as we speak. Soon we will have to line up for our slop and be good little consumers just like everyone else.
Way to go Intel, for killing unsanctioned creativity.
AMD is not gone yet. The hell?
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AMD is not gone yet. The hell?

Yeah, but right now they are acting like the retarded stepchild. They need to step it up big time and as much as we would all like to imagine them magically coming out with a next gen processor out of no where that is built on a 14nm die, wipes the floor with GT3e (Iris Pro) IGP, doesn't go above 55W TDP, overclocks to 5+GHz on stock cooling, and shrinks the socket down to half AM3+ for SFF use, it just isn't possible to makeup that kind of an engineering gap in one or even three generations. Especially when your smaller, less resourceful company is hemorrhaging money in a downsizing PC market.

I'm not saying I've sworn off AMD, I've got two HTPC's in my apt running on Trinity proc's right now. I just recognize their weaknesses and the long list of extras that Intel brings to the table that AMD hasn't even attempted to copy yet. For example:

Consumer accessible Quad Channel Memory
Intel Rapid Storage Technology
Intel Smart Response Technology
Intel Quick Sync Video
Intel Clear Video HD
Wireless Diaplay 4.1
multi threading, or are we just calling the extra cores AMD needs to keep up their extra threads?
etc.
Parts rated below 65W TDP!?! I know they rate their processors independently and aren't directly comparable, but come on!
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Originally Posted by DaveLT View Post

AMD is not gone yet. The hell?

Yeah, but right now they are acting like the retarded stepchild. They need to step it up big time and as much as we would all like to imagine them magically coming out with a next gen processor out of no where that is built on a 14nm die, wipes the floor with GT3e (Iris Pro) IGP, doesn't go above 55W TDP, overclocks to 5+GHz on stock cooling, and shrinks the socket down to half AM3+ for SFF use, it just isn't possible to makeup that kind of an engineering gap in one or even three generations. Especially when your smaller, less resourceful company is hemorrhaging money in a downsizing PC market.

I'm not saying I've sworn off AMD, I've got two HTPC's in my apt running on Trinity proc's right now. I just recognize their weaknesses and the long list of extras that Intel brings to the table that AMD hasn't even attempted to copy yet. For example:

Consumer accessible Quad Channel Memory
Intel Rapid Storage Technology
Intel Smart Response Technology
Intel Quick Sync Video
Intel Clear Video HD
Wireless Diaplay 4.1
multi threading, or are we just calling the extra cores AMD needs to keep up their extra threads?
etc.
Parts rated below 65W TDP!?! I know they rate their processors independently and aren't directly comparable, but come on!
I like where your head is at...? thumb.gif
post #206 of 206
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVaV7jaLXa0 a good video to watch near end he states flat out the haswell 4770k oem cooler cant cool the CPU at stock and causes thermal throttling and a corsair h100I barely is capable of keeping it below the point of thermal throttling on stock clocks under heavy load like 5c-10c from thermal throttling.

stock cooler stock clocks / settings still overheating and throttling http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqr06oL_hwk

add to it many have found haswell to actually draw more power than theyre previous Ivy Bridge even at stock settings which is a bit puzzling given Intel has tried to force feed us that it uses less and is far more efficient across board yet it literally puts out 10%-25% more heat than Ivy Bridge or Sandy Bridge and draws more power across board even under idle this has been found to be the case for a 5%-10% performance increase
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/157125-haswell-review-intels-core-i7-4770k-takes-over-the-pole-position/3 .

yes the VRM's add alot of the heat but still also you need to factor in that in general most cant overclock the haswell because of chip limitations not just temps and when there are limitations on a oem stock clocked one where it downclocks due to thermal reasons on stock cooling and nearly does it on a corsair h100i i find that a bit telling as to why these are often refered to as a miniature nuclear reactor when attempting to cool them and keep temps in the safe comfortable range.

PLZ dont chime in about deliding the haswell not many will do this or take the risk the ones that do are in the single digit percentage range.

most wont take a razor blade to a brand new chip and risk nicking the PCB and ruining the chip and also plainly showwing you voided warranty also the other route often referred to as the vise and hammer method when anyone mentions a hammer and vise about any expensive / sensitive electronic component i get chills and so does most of the rest of people.

I take the above deliding methods ( the most commonly advised ways ) like a person advising slapping a 250hp shot of nitrous onto a brand new stock car it will likely turn out bad and cost you dearly either way.

because of the thermal issues and also the limitations within the general retail haswell yeilds most cant overclock past stock even when on higher end liquid cooling do you not see this as an issue and some are lucky to run at stock clocks without thermaly throttling.

im sorry i see this as a flaw when a CPU cant run stock clocks / settings on stock cooling without thermally throttling period which meens it downclocks and then you loose whatever benefit you got from purchasing the haswell over Ivy or Sandy and in most cases has been found to actually draw more power during idle and load than IVY or sometimes even Sandy.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2013/06/06/haswell-heat/1 http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/382267/intel-haswell-hotter-and-slower-than-expected http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/report-intel-haswell-processors-prone-to-overheating/
Edited by rickcooperjr - 6/28/13 at 9:09pm
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