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post #91 of 206
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Originally posted by Maiky

 

Most users that are getting outrageous temps with aftermarket cooling will most likely return the chip before they even think about deliding. Not everyone who buys a CPU is willing to alter a chip (knowing they can ruin it), they will most likely return the chip and buy something else. I personally have seen more than 10 users here on OCN that were not willing to delid, that's not good for Intel. Returns = loss of profits, especially when the user decided to go back to AMD.

Again, it is a matter of scale.  "Most" users are not even going to know they are getting high temps, because "most" users don't even know how to monitor their temps.  Most users in the context of an enthusiast on a site like this is a vanishingly small number of Intel's total sales.  Ivy also had high temps and it seems to have sold just fine.  It's a big issue for some people, and no issue at all for the vast majority of people.

post #92 of 206
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Again, it is a matter of scale.  "Most" users are not even going to know they are getting high temps, because "most" users don't even know how to monitor their temps.  Most users in the context of an enthusiast on a site like this is a vanishingly small number of Intel's total sales.  Ivy also had high temps and it seems to have sold just fine.  It's a big issue for some people, and no issue at all for the vast majority of people.

Most users won't know their CPU is throttling, and they'll blame dell for selling them a piece of crap computer that's slow as ****, not intel.
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Most users won't know their CPU is throttling, and they'll blame dell for selling them a piece of crap computer that's slow as ****, not intel.

One, if their CPU is throttling, that's Dell's fault for not having sufficient airflow in the case for the CPU.

Two, what are you even talking about? There's nothing to suggest that the temperatures are outrageously high at stock, so where's the throttling going to come from?
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One, if their CPU is throttling, that's Dell's fault for not having sufficient airflow in the case for the CPU.

Two, what are you even talking about? There's nothing to suggest that the temperatures are outrageously high at stock, so where's the throttling going to come from?

If it's going to run, say, 70c - 80c (stock speed, typical crap OEM cooler) at full load, give it a year or two of dust accumulation and it can easily start hitting throttling temperatures.
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Only thing im worried about are those on die VRM's when delidding.
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post #96 of 206
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If it's going to run, say, 70c - 80c (stock speed, typical crap OEM cooler) at full load, give it a year or two of dust accumulation and it can easily start hitting throttling temperatures.

But you're just making up numbers. From this thread at least we don't have any temperatures at stock. jellybeans69's post references a friend who had 60 C at a 4.2 GHz overclock. If that's the norm, there's nothing to worry about for stock.
post #97 of 206
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Originally Posted by Stay Puft View Post

Only thing im worried about are those on die VRM's when delidding.

Why the hell is that on the die?

Shouldn't (good) mobos be able to support different voltages anyway? Most mobos with adjustable voltages go from voltages too low to be useful, up to amounts that'll instantly kill the CPU.

If it's a cheap mobo, then it'll only work with 1 type of CPU, big deal. Those parts aren't really suitable for upgrades anyway.
post #98 of 206
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But you're just making up numbers. From this thread at least we don't have any temperatures at stock. jellybeans69's post references a friend who had 60 C at a 4.2 GHz overclock. If that's the norm, there's nothing to worry about for stock.

My 3570k hit temps upwards of 60C under full load, with an aftermarket cooler, at stock speed. Stock cooler can easily be another 10 degrees hotter then that. And it sounds like haswell's thermal performance is going to be similar to ivy
post #99 of 206
Sorry guys but the Intel stock cooler doesn't seem to come into play here. Look at the source, see "U120E" mentioned here and there right next to words like "heat" if translated? He's using a TRUE 120 to get these temperatures. This chip really does run hot as hell.

I mentioned this before but some people skip over that post it seems. smile.gif


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Originally Posted by demoship View Post

Why the hell is that on the die?

Shouldn't (good) mobos be able to support different voltages anyway? Most mobos with adjustable voltages go from voltages too low to be useful, up to amounts that'll instantly kill the CPU.

If it's a cheap mobo, then it'll only work with 1 type of CPU, big deal. Those parts aren't really suitable for upgrades anyway.

VRMs are on die because it allows for far more precise voltage control, resulting in lower power consumption (which is what Haswell is all about).
Edited by Vonnis - 5/31/13 at 2:53pm
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But you're just making up numbers. From this thread at least we don't have any temperatures at stock. jellybeans69's post references a friend who had 60 C at a 4.2 GHz overclock. If that's the norm, there's nothing to worry about for stock.

That's under H110i not stock though. And those temps are using 10 minute LinX runs so typical user can expect temps about 20 degrees lower during normal daily loads , games , videos , music etc. if using same cooler. Under stock cooler it should be ok to run it at 4.0-4.2 (well at least this sample of friend of mines). And as mentioned in my previous posts haswell indeed does seem very similar to Ivy. I was hitting about the same degrees under LinX when using H100i sammiched on my i5-3570k @ 4.6 / 1.35v
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