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1600 x 900 TN panel. Disappointing. So close Razor. Keep up the good work though because you are the only company who at least tries to push the envelope with gamers in mind.

Alienware was doing that with their 11inch m11x line untill the clevo w110er came along and blew it out of the water.
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I know it's overpriced... but I can't stop throwing my money at the screen. I'm in love with this laptop.
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I don't think it is over priced. go look at the mac books in this price range and see what kind of hardware you get. then go look at some cheaper brands and see if you can find one as light and thin with an aluminum case.

also the resolution is fine. I don't know about you guys but the really small super high res screens are just too small. the pixel density is a bit much. maybe I have bad eyes.
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Dang.... Thats one Sexy Laptop! biggrin.gif I have a Thing for Green and Black. Thats explains why I have a few Razer items around my house. haha
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IPS and competitive gaming do not belong in the same sentence. The higher input lag, response time and increased ghosting are not preferable for a fast-paced, competitive gaming environment. IPS screens have much better colour accuracy and contrast but are not suitable for a device supposedly designed for "hardcore" gaming. I guarantee if the Razer competitive teams were forced to use these in FPS competitions you would see them flying across the room as the players rage. For RTS, you could probably get away with it though.

I'm sure an IPS gaming laptop would sell well but it would cater to a different market segment than the Razer blade.

Razer's previous blade was very gimmicky with the touch screen and all. I am happy to see the direction they are headed in with this one.
Quite frankly the price does not have all to do with Razer being greedy, although they do have a track record for that lol. "Mature" manufacturers use the same shells year over year with small modifications and different internals thus reducing money spent on R&D and also get better pricing for materials due to the sheer volume of units produced. At least Razer has an excuse for overpricing, unlike Apple.
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Idbuy one if i won the powerball, wouldnt buy one with money i earned, SOOOOO OVERPRICED. Especially considering the panels used in the laptops.
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IPS and competitive gaming do not belong in the same sentence. The higher input lag, response time and increased ghosting are not preferable for a fast-paced, competitive gaming environment. IPS screens have much better colour accuracy and contrast but are not suitable for a device supposedly designed for gaming. I guarantee if the Razer competitive teams were forced to use these in competitions you would see them flying across the room as the players rage, at least for FPS tournaments. For RTS, you could probably get away with it though.

I'm sure an IPS gaming laptop would sell well but it would cater to a different market segment than the Razer blade.

So wrong about IPS. Cant even bother to explain.
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IPS and competitive gaming do not belong in the same sentence. The higher input lag, response time and increased ghosting are not preferable for a fast-paced, competitive gaming environment. IPS screens have much better colour accuracy and contrast but are not suitable for a device supposedly designed for gaming. I guarantee if the Razer competitive teams were forced to use these in competitions you would see them flying across the room as the players rage, at least for FPS tournaments. For RTS, you could probably get away with it though.

I'm sure an IPS gaming laptop would sell well but it would cater to a different market segment than the Razer blade.

The U2312HM would like to have a word.



http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/content/dell_u2312hm.htm#input_lag

Noting that there's a 120HZ TN monitor in that chart, in the form of a Samsung 2233RZ.
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The U2312HM would like to have a word.



http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/content/dell_u2312hm.htm#input_lag

Noting that there's a 120HZ TN monitor in that chart, in the form of a Samsung 2233RZ.

I tend to favor prad.de's reviews as they involve testing via oscilloscope at 15 points on the screen.
The IPS panel which you are referring to has an image construction time of 16.5ms where as my XL2420T does it in 3.1ms. The input lag on that IPS panel is very impressive however. Average overall lag on the IPS was measured at 9.3 ms vs 7.9 on the XL2420T. Well I'll be damned. Are there any bigger 6 bit IPS panels out there? In the 24 inch range preferably

U2312HM
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I tend to favor prad.de's reviews as they involve testing via oscilloscope at 15 points on the screen.
The IPS panel which you are referring to has an image construction time of 16.5ms where as my XL2420T does it in 3.1ms. The input lag on that IPS panel is very impressive however.

U2312HM
XL2420T

According to PRAD.

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The lag is measured as the total of the signal delay time and half of the average frame change time. We measured the signal lag, which is important for gamers, at am extremely short 1.1 milliseconds on the U2312MH. When half of the average frame change time of 8.2 milliseconds is added, the average overall lag amounts to 9.3 milliseconds, which is still very short for an IPS panel.

TN panel
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We measure the lag as the sum of the signal delay time and half of the average frame change time. When the monitor is in use at 60 Hz, we measure an unnoticeable (but not particularly short) signal delay of 6.4 milliseconds on the XL2420T. On average, only another 1.5 milliseconds pass until the target luminance is achieved, so the average total lag is rather short at 7.9 milliseconds.

In 120Hz usage, the lag time adjusts to the faster frame change and drops to just 3.4 milliseconds. The average image construction time remains the same and thus, the average total lag in this case is a very short 4.9 milliseconds.econds.

Up to you how you interpret it. It's 2013, I'm not paying a premium price for a TN panel. The Benq may have a slight advantage in 120hz mode, but in 60hz mode? It's just another TN panel.

Addendum

http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2011/review-dell-u2412m-part13.html#Latency

U2412M
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The latency is determined as sum of the signal delay time and half of the average frame. Key for gamers, we measure extremely short 0.9 milliseconds for the signal delay. Another 6.5 milliseconds later, the target brightness is reached. Being at 7.4 milliseconds, the mean total latency is very short.
According to PRAD, the u2412M is even quicker than the Benq at 60HZ.
Edited by Kand - 5/30/13 at 8:04pm
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