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Well yeah, that is the point. A 650 ti would strait up destroy the 7660D in the APU. It would even destroy it if you did the hybrid crossfire thing. Price/performance the 650 ti + i3 is far superior. APU build = ~450 < i3 + 650 ti = ~550. 2cents.gif

Point taken. Don't take this the wrong way, because I appreciate your input, but this computer is being built as a hedge against the new tech being released within the next year. This is a temporary solution that will allow me to do what I need to do on my computer after I sell my laptop including playing games at playable graphics. I am not trying to blow anything out of the water. If down the road I feel that my integrated graphics just isn't cutting it and there still is no reason to upgrade the CPU I can always put a dedicated GPU inside my APU build and achieve the same results. I am trying to cut out the GPU because when I upgrade within the next year I will be purchasing top-of-the-line everything. And from all the reviews I have read this APU performs beyond most people's expectations in terms of gaming.
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I am really liking that Mobo. The reviews scare me a little though. The features that it brings to the table and the price make me very tempted to switch from MSI.

People are MUCH more likely to post a review of a product that doesn't work, rather then of one that does work.

If you choose to go with 2400mhz memory, make sure the motherboard can use it. otherwise that extra performance is wasted, for example a lot of the fm2 motherboards only go up to 2133mhz. The asrock/asus motherboards support as high as you can take it(assuming the IMC is able to deal with those speeds).

Then again that 2400mhz RAM is cheaper then most 2133mhz RAM. So it's a good deal either way.
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Point taken. Don't take this the wrong way, because I appreciate your input, but this computer is being built as a hedge against the new tech being released within the next year. This is a temporary solution that will allow me to do what I need to do on my computer after I sell my laptop including playing games at playable graphics. I am not trying to blow anything out of the water. If down the road I feel that my integrated graphics just isn't cutting it and there still is no reason to upgrade the CPU I can always put a dedicated GPU inside my APU build and achieve the same results. I am trying to cut out the GPU because when I upgrade within the next year I will be purchasing top-of-the-line everything. And from all the reviews I have read this APU performs beyond most people's expectations in terms of gaming.

For your particular use case, then, the APU solution is the best way to go. And as an aside, when you upgrade your rig/build from scratch, you can resell your components to get back even more of your original expense.
     
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This was supposed to be a edit, not another post >.>

I suggest getting a trial for shoprunner, and then turning off auto-renew. Great service.

It allows free shipping on most items(not cases), with 2 day air(meaning you can receive your items on a saturday). They also offer free return shipping if anything goes wrong with one of your parts.
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I recommend this SSD over the Samsung 840.
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?p=PX-128M5PR&c=fr&pid=72cf97ac1b6b08dd52cebc5feb6f8c8f5050bd7c2204b1409d17da4e9553d2bb&gclid=CPrsl5u6v7cCFUmY4AodXnIAFQ

Since you are going to be keeping this for your next build you might as well get a good SSD now.

Nice price on that Team Xtreem memory. Although I'm not sure how it is for AMD chips but a voltage over 1.5V for the Intel chips strains the memory controller too much and can affect overclocking with the additional heat. Might be worth it for 2400MHz though I dont know. Ivy is more sensitive to higher voltages than sandy, so maybe with the next chips it will be needed to have an even lower memory voltage.
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Nice price on that Team Xtreem memory. Although I'm not sure how it is for AMD chips but a voltage over 1.5V for the Intel chips strains the memory controller too much and can affect overclocking with the additional heat. Might be worth it for 2400MHz though I dont know. Ivy is more sensitive to higher voltages than sandy, so maybe with the next chips it will be needed to have an even lower memory voltage.

AMD CPU/APUs have no problem with 1.65 volts.

Also, all 2400mhz memory is 1.65 volts as far as I can see. The extra speed require the voltage bump.
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post #17 of 23
Hm ok I can remember now that makes sense.

The higher ram speed may help him now, but I don't know if when he does upgrade if he would be able to maybe lower the speed of the RAM along with the voltage. It may not be stable. Because now I do remember for sure that it is better to have a higher CPU clock speed than over overclocking the RAM more.

I chose this memory for my system as a middle ground. Since the 1.35V RAMs are kind of hit and miss with overclocking. It doesn't have a heatsink in the way compared to other RAM that had the same speeds. And from reviews that I was reading it looked to be reliable.
http://www.ramexperts.com/ddr3/performance-desktop/ddr3-pc3-17000-2133mhz/mushkin-997015-ddr3-udimm-2x4gb-8gb-pc3-17000-10-11-10-28-frostbyte-1-5v.html
Edited by iEATu - 5/30/13 at 10:02pm
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post #18 of 23
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Hm ok I can remember now that makes sense.

The higher ram speed may help him now, but I don't know if when he does upgrade if he would be able to maybe lower the speed of the RAM along with the voltage. It may not be stable. Because now I do remember for sure that it is better to have a higher CPU clock speed than over overclocking the RAM more.

I chose this memory for my system as a middle ground. Since the 1.35V RAMs are kind of hit and miss with overclocking.
http://www.ramexperts.com/ddr3/performance-desktop/ddr3-pc3-17000-2133mhz/mushkin-997015-ddr3-udimm-2x4gb-8gb-pc3-17000-10-11-10-28-frostbyte-1-5v.html

the a10 and a8 are both very extensively bottle-necked by memory speed, the ram should very easily be underclocked. Although the timings/voltage/etc. would all have to entered manually, as I recall at least.

If this was a am3/am3+/1155 chip then you'd be very correct that RAM frequency/speeds are not much of a bottleneck at all, and thus we'd suggest cheaper 1600mhz RAM. APUs on other hand benefit GREATLY from the increased RAM speeds.

Those chips should be very capable of 2133mhz at 1.5 volts if he so required.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/memory-bandwidth-scaling-trinity,3419-6.html
Edited by Alanim - 5/30/13 at 10:11pm
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post #19 of 23
I'm not sure what you mean with your first paragraph.

Well actually the minimum framerate would be increased with a higher memory speed, which would probably be even more useful on an AMD cpu because they support natively up to 1866MHz, whereas ivy supports up to 1600MHz.

And according to your link it looks like 2133MHz is the max useful speed anyway. Might as well try to overclock more for now anyway though with an AMD chip.
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post #20 of 23
Why you dont wait for the new A10-6800k? 4-5 days left before will release!Plus it will drop the already prices of trinity cpu's.As for intel you need a lot more money+gfx card.
I was thinking to update to i5 myself some days ago but I will not give a money-pleasure to intel.Plus the new A10 APU will have the new H8670 inside! Far better than 5800k.
Another good thing is you can dual-crossfire it.Or you still can play games if for example your gfx card 'blow'.If you have intel, good luck buy a new gfx card again.tongue.gif
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