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Hi all,

my first post here.

I'm considering to build my next computer by myself. The applications I need to use are: Adobe Suite, 3ds Max, Softimage, Nuke, and a few more.
Need a fast machine to get the renders as fast as possible and also fast previews in the 3d view port, in terms of GPU and also for particles calculations.

Said that, since I built my computer only once several years ago, I'm wondering if it's gonna be a complex duty.
Above all, what actually confuses me is what will be at the end the real advantage by building a computer by myself. Despite having the chance to change / upgrade the machine and getting the option to choose the components, what really bothers me is if there will be a real advantage in terms of time spent to build it vs money.
Also, what about the warranty? I owned Dells in the last years and the idea to have at-home support has been a relief.

Thanks in advance for any help.
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For low end computer "appliances" you can't beat Dell's prices, but on the high end, building is much cheaper.

Spec out a Dell and then look at New Egg, Micro Center and Tiger Direct for the same components.

As for at home service, if you build it, you can RMA any component. With a high end computer the Dell service tech probably won't have the part you need in the truck, so you're going to wait for shipping anyway.

And, you're right. Picking the components is the hard part.
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do not buy dell unless you are absolutely sure you need a support package. the only reason would be that system downtime costs you a ridiculous amount of money. eg production environments with tight deadlines. as far as system recovery current backup solutions locally or to a cloud are more than adequate for almost everyone.

im not familiar with what system specs you will need to work in Adobe Suite, 3ds Max, Softimage, Nuke, and a few more.

building the actual system is very easy and takes very little time. if you are at all concerned with performance you should consider it a cost efficient endeavor to build your own system. it may take some time to figure out components, but you can get all the help you need here for that.

as far as actual assembly, I would think even a novice being extremely careful would take no more than 4 hours to fully assemble an average desktop workstation. that's like if your reading every manual. theres only 8 or 9 components in an average PC.

so these are rough numbers, but if you got better system performance, and saved $1000 and it took you a day or so, if that's worth it to you then you could consider it.

also on the table is custom buying all the components and having the seller, or a local PC place, assemble it for you, probably relatively cheap, say 75$-$150 tops. they'll install windows and all that crap for you, and you wont have any dellware on your hands.

if your hardware is reasonably new, if you do have some sort of failure, providing you have a backup system, you just pop the fried part and go buy a new one, RMA or warranty if applicable. once a rig is set up anyone can easily replace a component other than the motherboard with little technical knowledge provided you are careful about it.
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Thank you guys for your replies.

Before I go ahead with some questions, I'd like to know what you guys think about this (thanks billbartuska, I didn't know about Tiger Direct):
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3526830&CatId=3460
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3526831&CatId=1886
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where are u from if you don't mind saying?
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I will quote the most accurate review I found on the actual product page you linked (lol)

"Not worth it at all

Since everyone seems to be joking about this computer, I will write an actual review for it. First of all, it is slow for a gaming computer. You would think with all that ram and processing speed, it would be fast but it's quite the opposite. Second, it's far from a gaming computer. It runs Minecraft on high settings at 7 FPS. You would be better off with a Chromebook."

NasTheOneAndOnly

while you wont be using it for gaming, this review still summarizes my feelings towards this product accurately.

I will throw together a build real quick with the same specs so u can see what it would cost to build it yourself (roughly) and edit it in here.

Intel Core i7 3930K 6 Core 12MB 3.2GHZ Hyperthreading Unlocked LGA2011 Processor No HSF
Usually ships in 1-2 business days.
$620.14

NVIDIA Quadro 4000 by PNY 2.0GB GDDR5 PCI-E16 DVI Dual Display Port Fermi Workstation Video Card
Usually ships in 4-5 business days.
$801.53

ASUS Rampage IV Extreme E-ATX LGA2011 X79 DDR3 SATA3 USB3.0 5PCI-E16 SLI CrossFireX Motherboard
Usually ships in 1-2 business days.
$439.99

Microsoft Windows 7 Professional Edition 64BIT DVD SP1 OEM
Usually ships in 1-2 business days.
$141.99

G.SKILL RipjawsZ F3-12800CL10Q-32GBZL 32GB 4X8GB DDR3-1600 CL10 Sandy Bridge E 1.5V Memory Kit
Usually ships in 4-5 business days. (x2 @ $199)
$399.98

Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5in SATA3 MDX Solid State Disk Flash Drive SSD
Free EXPRESS SHIPPING for this item!
Usually ships in 1-2 business days.
$229.99

Cooler Master HAF X EATX Tower Case Black 6X5.25 5X3.5INT No PS Front USB3.0
Usually ships in 1-2 business days.
$179.99

ASUS BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Black 12XBD-R 2XBD-RE 16XDVD+R 12XDVD-RAM 8MB Cache SATA Blu-Ray Burner
Usually ships in 1-2 business days.
$92.98

Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA3 64MB Cache 3.5in Internal Hard Drive
Usually ships in 1-2 business days.
$109.99

XFX 1000W PRO1000W Ltd Black Edition Single Rail 12V 83A 24PIN ATX Full Modular 80PLUS Platinum PSU
Usually ships in 4-5 business days.
$219.99

Corsair Cooling Hydro Series H100 Extreme Performance CPU Cooler System LGA1366 2011 1155 1156 AM3
Usually ships in 1-2 business days.
$99.99


Total : $3,236.57 before tax

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I think I remembered everything, but I might have forgot something you need. someone will point it out shortly if I did.

now, this is with:

the most expensive motherboard I could reasonably recommend
the most expensive power supply I could reasonably recommend
case - see above
dvd - see above (bluray)

and no pricematch or price shopping whatsoever, everything from ncix US site in US$.

were you to build the same unit with a more price conscious approach you could easily come in @ $2700 while still having potentially higher quality components than the unit your looking at. the components OCN members with a lot of experience recommend to people tend to be good.

now if you think you need 64GB ram then that already narrows us down to a build very similar to what were already looking at here, since afaik you will need lga 2011 for that.

I will also point out that retailers like ncix often have assembly and testing packages if you are buying all your components from them, ncix charges $50 and also they offer price match! so if you aren't so into building it yourself, this is an option for you.

*** plz don't consider above list a good recommendation of what to buy, it was just the fastest list I could make. the parts are all good but others will jump in here to recommend better stuff***
Edited by Jollyburner - 5/31/13 at 8:32am
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post #7 of 96
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where are u from if you don't mind saying?

Sure, I live in LA.
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I will quote the most accurate review I found on the actual product page you linked (lol)

"Not worth it at all[...]

while you wont be using it for gaming, this review still summarizes my feelings towards this product accurately.

I will throw together a build real quick with the same specs so u can see what it would cost to build it yourself (roughly) and edit it in here.

Thank you Jollyburner, it's very kind of you.

I guess the thing that's kinda stopping me at the moment is just the concern that I can mess up the assembly if I do it by myself.
Nonetheless I think I can ask for help here and at the end building it by my own can be an interesting experience that would give me a bit more knowledge, that by the way doesn't hurt.

I liked having Dells because it's been pretty straightforward but at the same time I couldn't customize as much as I would have liked to.
Perhaps it's time to move ahead.

Edit: Also I'll have to figure out what monitor to buy. If I can stay within the $3000 budget for the computer I can probably spend between $200-$250 for the monitor, if there's anything good in that price range.
Edited by pser - 5/31/13 at 11:13am
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I edited my post above with a build for u to give u some idea of costs.
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I edited my post above with a build for u to give u some idea of costs.

Jollyburner, thank you so much for your time.
Following your example I wanted to try on newegg to see what I could come up with.
Below the result:


Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
$99.99
Service Net Replacement Extended Warranty Plan
2 year: $13.99(remove)

EVGA 04G-P4-3687-KR GeForce GTX 680 FTW+ w/Backplate 4GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
$559.99
1 year: $29.99(remove)

XION AXP-1000K14XE 1000W ATX SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80+ Bronze Modular Power Supply
$129.99
2 year: $19.99(remove)

ASUS Sabertooth X79 LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
$324.99
Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
Return for refund within: non-refundable
Return for replacement within: 30 days

Intel Core i7-3930K Sandy Bridge-E 3.2GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 2011 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor BX80619i73930K
$569.99
1 year: $29.99(remove)

Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit - OEM
$139.99

Kingston 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 ECC Unbuffered Server Memory w/TS Model KVR16E11K4/32
$299.99
Memory Standard Return Policy
Return for refund within: 30 days
Return for replacement within: 30 days
Restocking Fee: Yes

CORSAIR Hydro series H50 High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
$59.99
2 year: $13.99(remove)

LG Black 14X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 5X DVD-RAM 12X BD-ROM 4MB Cache SATA BDXL Blu-ray Burner, Bare Drive, 3D Play Back (WH14NS40) ... - OEM
$59.99
Standard Return Policy
Return for refund within: 30 days
Return for replacement within: 30 days
Restocking Fee: Yes

Corsair Neutron Series CSSD-N256GB3-BK 2.5" 256GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
$199.99
Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
Return for refund within: non-refundable
Return for replacement within: 30 days

Subtotal: $2,444.90
Extended Warranty: $107.95
Tax: $220.04
Shipping: $4.83

Corsair Obsidian Series 350D CC-9011028-WW Black Aluminum / Steel MicroATX Case
$89.99
Standard Return Policy
Return for refund within: 30 days
Return for replacement within: 30 days
Restocking Fee: Yes

Grand Total: $2,875.81


What I don't like is all the items with Standard Return Policy
Edited by pser - 5/31/13 at 5:48pm
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