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we talking about Rendering u know 500 mhz extra will save u hours and even days so in 3D world when u put ur workstation to render for few days full 24hours with that few mhz extra might save ur ass at the deadline , i use maya And 3dsmax and rendering on mental ray etc.. other engines take the use of every 100 mhz u put and cores if u can afford xeon omg go for it otherwise 2011 3930k worth it
I do SolidWorks.
Moved from a single core (AMD FX57 2.8 GHZ) to a 6 core (FX6300 overclocked 4.4 GHZ) so I understand render speeds. But it's soooo much nicer to draw on two monitors.

But then, you can always add a second monitor when the money starts rolling in!
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I do SolidWorks.
Moved from a single core (AMD FX57 2.8 GHZ) to a 6 core (FX6300 overclocked 4.4 GHZ) so I understand render speeds. But it's soooo much nicer to draw on two monitors.

But then, you can always add a second monitor when the money starts rolling in![/quote]

well i agree i have 2nd monitor it helps alot really, but he can chose i gave him list cost 3154 $ with very expensive Quadro 4000 he can lower it a bit and go gtx 780 or gtx 770 and get 2nd monitor

i Have ProArt series from Asus for Photoshop and SRGB colors etc.. and the extra 200 give it nice size to work i suggest going with these monitors for work specially for color correction video editing it helps to see the right colors 1920x1200p Pa248Q

so get Pa248Q or Pa246Q both are amazing for work if u can buy 2 then buy biggrin.gif
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fido,

thank you for your interesting reply.
I'm tweaking the configuration.

One thing I'm curious about is the graphic card, from what you're saying it seems the GTX 780 is a good alternative. Since I'm thinking to skip the Quadro solution, I thought the 680 was the card to go as I read good things about it.
Do you think 780 is better?
What about the core clock?
http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/video-card/#c=136&s=2&sort=d4

As for the second monitor, as billbartuska suggests, like I said I don't have enough space for that. I know what it means working with two monitors, that's my configuration at work. I'll have to skip this option at home though.

I'll post the new configuration soon.
Edited by pser - 6/3/13 at 11:27pm
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yes the Core clock of the gpu will effect really , u will feel the smoothness in 3D softwares specially somting like Real time rendering in auto desk, as u noticed yes 680 have higier clock then 780 but u forgot something biggrin.gif this is overclock.net Dude overclock ur 780 biggrin.gif

somthing like this , it is 650$ amazing for gaming and will give u very good results in terms of Cuda cores performance but ofc in 3d renders will be slower then quadro and this is overclocked very close to 680 clock speed
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130918

just main point is if u want gaming and work then go 780 otherwise the quadro 4000 is best value for workstation,

the PB278Q will help in monitors situation it is big and that extra pixels really help u can open like 3d software beside it open image as reference i do that so i can model the car for example etc..

Or if u can wait for the release of MX299Q i beleive best workstation monitor in terms of size however the PB278Q colors are Better a bit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klsVR2ynEuM

if u see my sig rig that time i did buy 680 and didn't buy quadro coz i wont be able to game on it with smooth fps on latest games

this wil give u an idea , it is 4200m for laptops yes it is lower then desktop version but same time he is playing Crysis 2 not 3 also playing at Low settings and he get 30 Fps-45Fps = conclusion quadro can;t play latest games smooth specially Quadro 4000 it is designed for work

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bzG3PH8V7k
Edited by fido - 6/5/13 at 7:12am
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post #25 of 96
bigger monitor = more work area
IPS = better color respresentation

IPS suffer from some ghosting and higher input latency than conventional LCDs, and cost way more. the only reason IPS is good is that the static picture is very crisp, and has excellent color representation, you will get a truer image of whatever you are designing. it can be important for example if you are responsible for choosing colors when designing stuff, or if you present to clients with your WS.

bigger monitor is always good so I think I would lean towards a larger model with high resolution if doing any kind of design work. especially if you will only have 1 monitor, as fido suggests it can afford you the extra area to have your reference material visible. depending how you work this could be very important.
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The Quadro 4000 has been suggested a few times. I just want to note that's the old Fermi card. The new Kepler card is called Quadro k4000, so make sure you get that one if you want a Quadro. Likewise there are both Quadro 5000 and k5000. Fermi and Kepler.

I will also say that if you're a graphics artist a good monitor should be on the top of your priority list. Either a couple of 24" ips panels or perhaps a single 27" 1440p monitor with a smaller one on the side. I have a Dell 27" ips 1440p as my main monitor and I will soon get a 23" in portrait mode on the side.

I'll also make a suggestion for a motherboard ASUS P9X79 WS
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regarding the motherboard it is nice but he will need overclocking we talking about 3000$ trust me that budget will be good specially overclocking cpu and render or export large video's i just did convert 9 video's with quick sync and coz it is overclocked i saved around 2-3 hours coz each of these video's 50+ GB it is uncompressed photoage always large , the ROG features really help with overclocking i mean specially for beginners the clicks cpu lvl up etc.. even clear cmos etc.. ROG connect it is nice feature all u will feel it when u use the machine i mean i go to kitchen and cook and with Bluetooth set the machine to render what i want thro remote control i know u could do it thro software but asus 1 is best so far i used

regarding the K4000 it is better then 4000 but also it cost around 100$ more anyway the normal Quadro 4000 (none k ) still faster in work then all other cards today in market in Gtx series it is simply designed that way only few cards if u do hack them u beat it biggrin.gif like i did post before hacking ur own 690 can be performance as k5000


Regarding working on monitor i Never advice Tn Panel always go IPS or PLS , u need the color accuracy if u r photo shop user or video editing with color correction i know that every guy who work on TV adds or movies even you-tubers use color correction and if u want to offer that crisp awesome colors like Hollywood production studio's u need perfect color screen the problem with PLS it shows off bit more i mean it is extra colors that make it a bit more then real colors of what is the really colors of the project u working on that why IPS etc.. are the choice for all designers who deal with colors

P-IPS panel with 98% Adobe RGB from asus pa246Q

True, precise colors on a 100% sRGB, 16:10 aspect ratio, 1920 x 1200 optimal A+ IPS panel PA248Q when i look at this monitor i say this is how adobe deigned their colors to look like
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Hi there,

couldn't get this any further lately, but seems I'm getting some spare time now.
So, I wanted to check for sake of curiosity another solution, just for fun to compare the following solution with the one we were discussing here.

So, what do you think about the following spces compared with what we've got so far?
This is a Xeon and I've read dissenting opinion regarding the use of Xeon for 3d and Motion Graphics.
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Base Price: 3445.00  Your Price:  4970  Weight: 75 lbs

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Power Supply            1200 Watt Velocity Micro® Power Supply - Nvidia® SLI™ Certified 
Motherboard             Asus® Z9PE-D8 WS Intel® Xeon™ Motherboard 
Xeon CPU                Dual Intel® Xeon™ E5-2620 Processor, hexa 2.0GHz cores 15MB L3 Cache (+$555.00)
CPU Cooling             Intel® Certified High Performance Heatsink/Fan(s) 
GPUs                    None 
DDR3 Memory             32gb DDR3 ECC Registered (4 x 8GB) (+$320.00)
PCX Video               2048mb eVGA™ NVIDIA® GTX680 GDDR5 video card (+$575.00)
Monitor                 None 
Audio                   Intel® High Definition 8-channel Audio 
Speakers                None 
Hard Drive 1            2TB Hitachi 7200rpm 32MB Cache SATA 300 (+$75.00)
Hard Drive 2            None 
Optical Drive 1         24x DVD+/-RW Dual Layer Burner Black 
Optical Drive 2         None 
Media Reader            Integrated 8-in-1 Flash Memory Media Reader 
Network Adapter         Integrated 10/100/1000MBps Gigabit Ethernet Network Adapter 
Operating System        Genuine Microsoft® Windows® 7 Professional 64-bit w/ SP1 
Warranty**              1 Yr Standard Parts & Labor Ltd Warranty, Lifetime Regular Business Hour Support, 1 Yr Depot Repair 

And just to recap, this is more or less what I was planning before:
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CPU:                 Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($499.99 @ Microcenter) 
CPU Cooler:             Zalman CNPS9900MAX-B  CPU Cooler  ($47.99 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard:            Asus P9X79 LE ATX  LGA2011 Motherboard  ($224.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory:                 Corsair Dominator 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($249.99 @ Best Buy) 
Storage:                Crucial M4 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($184.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage:                Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($128.44 @ Amazon) 
Video Card:             EVGA GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card  ($429.99 @ Newegg) 
Sound Card:             Creative Labs Audigy SE 24-bit 96 KHz Sound Card  ($28.18 @ Amazon) 
Wired Network Adapter:  Intel EXPI9301CT 10/100/1000 Mbps PCI-Express x1 Network Adapter  ($34.79 @ NCIX US) 
Wireless Adapter:       Rosewill RNX-N180UBE 802.11b/g/n USB 2.0 Wi-Fi Adapter  ($17.99 @ Amazon) 
Case:                   Corsair 600T Mesh (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($129.99 @ NCIX US) 
Power Supply:           Cooler Master Silent Pro M 1000W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply  ($114.50 @ Newegg) 
Optical Drive:          LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer  ($59.99 @ Newegg) 
Operating System:       Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($129.98 @ Outlet PC) 
Monitor:                Samsung S24B350HL 23.6" Monitor  ($229.96 @ Amazon) 
Speakers:               Logitech X-140 4W 2ch Speakers  ($25.00 @ Mac Mall) 
Total:                  $2536.76
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-02 14:29 EDT-0400)

Base Total:             $2702.25        
Promo Discounts:        -$25.49 
Mail-in Rebates:        -$80.00 
Shipping:               $3.99   
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post #29 of 96
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hm... looking right now @ cpu benchmarks, clearly the Xeon E5-2620 is not as good as the i7-3930K.
At this point I think I'll stick to the i7-3930K.
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I think we need a few questions answered before you move forward with this build. A workstation needs to be built around specific tasks so what and how you are doing things becomes way more important.

1. Are you going to be gaming at any point on this machine?

2. What software and releases or editions are you going to be using?

3. How long do you plan to keep this build going?

4. Are you going to be dependent on this machine for income?

If you are using the most up to date programs and are not going to be gaming then your build is not the best match. You would want the dual socket boards with Xeons. Get a FirePro card or two and use them as they offer way more performance than anything Nvidia has in OpenCl applications. Final rendering is almost entirely a CPU task not GPU hence why most of those programs to use network rendering nodes. Software versions are going to play a big role here as well.
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